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Title: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 28-Jan-10, 08:54:21 PM
I'm testing a new top menu. What do you think?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Judi on 28-Jan-10, 09:47:41 PM
It's very cool!   :clap:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 28-Jan-10, 09:51:29 PM
You'll notice that the menu is only on the forum pages. If it works well, it could be added to the other rfalconcam pages.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Donna on 28-Jan-10, 11:06:42 PM
I'm testing a new top menu. What do you think?

Me likes.  (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Respect/respect-057.GIF) (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Respect-Smileys.html)  Thanks!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 29-Jan-10, 05:54:35 AM
You'll notice that the menu is only on the forum pages. If it works well, it could be added to the other rfalconcam pages.

I sort of like - how long can we play with it?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Jan-10, 07:57:54 AM
It may just be my evil, slow work 'puter, but the drop downs are lingering a bit too long after I move off them, ghosting over the next one.  And a tad too sensitive for my taste...they're dropping down with even a glancing touch of the cursor...one of my pet peeves on other sites.

Other than that, I do like the idea.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 29-Jan-10, 08:11:24 AM
I like it too - very convenient.  :thumbsup:

Dot in PA


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: MAK on 29-Jan-10, 08:22:03 AM
 :wave:   Good job,I love the drop downs.     :clap:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: jeanne on 29-Jan-10, 08:53:41 AM
I miss the picture of Mariah but i really love the drop down menus!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 29-Jan-10, 09:09:22 AM
Jeanne, it was a picture of Archer.

Ei, I think I can add a short delay before the menus drop down to prevent them from being triggered by a glancing touch. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about them lingering too long after you move off them. It could be your computer or browser.

Janet, how long do you need to play with it?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 29-Jan-10, 10:40:22 AM

Janet, how long do you need to play with it?

I'd think a week would be good - I should have a good idea by Sunday, but I'm thinking of the members who have slower connections and the variety of browsers out there. 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: birdmusic on 29-Jan-10, 10:43:05 AM
Works perfectly for me on Firefox.  Very organized & cool!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Donna on 29-Jan-10, 10:51:02 AM
It may just be my evil, slow work 'puter, but the drop downs are lingering a bit too long after I move off them, ghosting over the next one.  And a tad too sensitive for my taste...they're dropping down with even a glancing touch of the cursor...one of my pet peeves on other sites.

Other than that, I do like the idea.

I have the slowest PC and mine doesn't do that Ei...I tried to make that happen but all work fine. They are a bit on the sensitive side but all in all good. My Yahoo mail had that very sensitive talking add that always seemed to go off even if I didn't go near it. Nasty thing that is. I have added the "NO Scripts" to my Firefox and it won't allow any any junk like that unless I let it. Sometimes that is a pain too. There are way too many adds out there and some can be dangerous.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Kris G. on 29-Jan-10, 11:13:17 AM
I love it!  Thanks!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: jeanne on 29-Jan-10, 11:21:35 AM
Jeanne, it was a picture of Archer.

Ei, I think I can add a short delay before the menus drop down to prevent them from being triggered by a glancing touch. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about them lingering too long after you move off them. It could be your computer or browser.

Janet, how long do you need to play with it?

OMG.  At least I didn't think it was Mariah and it was a red tail.  (having done that - ahem- when looking at St. Ann's.   

I feel better actually that it wasn't Mariah though I am still  :paperbag:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Jan-10, 11:49:04 AM
Jeanne, it was a picture of Archer.


OMG.  At least I didn't think it was Mariah and it was a red tail.  (having done that - ahem- when looking at St. Ann's.   

I feel better actually that it wasn't Mariah though I am still  :paperbag:

Don't feel TOO  :paperbag: Jeanne...I thought it was Mariah too until I realized it was the new TS nestbox in the background. 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Jan-10, 11:55:20 AM
Ei, I think I can add a short delay before the menus drop down to prevent them from being triggered by a glancing touch. I'm not sure if there is anything I can do about them lingering too long after you move off them. It could be your computer or browser.

I'm sure the ghosting is the computer AND the browser...been getting nasty-grams from lots of websites lately that they don't support IE 6 anymore, but there isn't enough hard drive space to install anything else here at work.  I'm sure all will be well at home on that front, but I just wanted to note it in case anyone else has similar issues.  But a bit of a time lag would be nice if it can be done.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Jan-10, 12:02:58 PM

I have the slowest PC and mine doesn't do that Ei...I tried to make that happen but all work fine.  

Donna, NOTHING is as slow as this work 'puter...it's a Dell optiplex vintage 1999...only reason it's still functioning is I know how to keep it clean.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: DianaR on 29-Jan-10, 01:12:12 PM
I like the drop-down - works fine on Firefox. I agree that it is a little too sensitive. I like to hover my cursor on something before it drops down rather than have a succession of drop-downs appear and disappear just because I'm moving my cursor past them. But I'd rather have that than not have the drop-downs at all.

(Note, Shaky, that this time I actually said something good about something on the forum, which is probably a first! Don't take it personally - I just find forums in general confusing. I once took a two-day training on journaling. They gave us a loose-leaf folder than contained six different places for different kinds of journal. I ended up not using it because I didn't know which to put where. Similar principle. It's just the way I think that doesn't fit the format.)

DianaR


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: jeanne on 29-Jan-10, 02:23:19 PM
Jeanne, it was a picture of Archer.


OMG.  At least I didn't think it was Mariah and it was a red tail.  (having done that - ahem- when looking at St. Ann's.   

I feel better actually that it wasn't Mariah though I am still  :paperbag:

Don't feel TOO  :paperbag: Jeanne...I thought it was Mariah too until I realized it was the new TS nestbox in the background. 


Thanks, Ei :happy:  I didn't even notice that the nestbox was different!  Good heavens!  Attention to detail has never been my strength.   ;D


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Carol P. on 29-Jan-10, 02:44:53 PM

I have the slowest PC and mine doesn't do that Ei...I tried to make that happen but all work fine. 

Donna, NOTHING is as slow as this work 'puter...it's a Dell optiplex vintage 1999...only reason it's still functioning is I know how to keep it clean.

Hey, that's the same computer I'm working on right now.   :happy:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 30-Jan-10, 08:41:22 PM

I have the slowest PC and mine doesn't do that Ei...I tried to make that happen but all work fine. 

Donna, NOTHING is as slow as this work 'puter...it's a Dell optiplex vintage 1999...only reason it's still functioning is I know how to keep it clean.

Hey, that's the same computer I'm working on right now.   :happy:

I thought I jinxed it...went in to work today & it wouldn't start!  After some detective work I realized it was actually the super-duper fancy shiny brand new corporate server that went down! My old workhorse was actually fine.

(For those computer mavens wondering what a corporate server has to do with a computer not booting-it was stuck on running startup scripts, which are fed from the corporate server on every startup-supposed to "save" us from missing antivirus updates & such-but with the server down it was stuck waiting for an answer that would never come...)


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 30-Jan-10, 08:47:55 PM
Check out the archive button!  Shaky's archive viewer is embedded now!



COOL!

P.S. Shaky-I'm getting a 404 not found on the slide show archives


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Donna on 30-Jan-10, 09:01:56 PM
Check out the archive button!  Shaky's archive viewer is embedded now!



COOL!

Um...maybe I'm not seeing it.......but I'm not seeing it. Where did you get that pic from Ei?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Donna on 30-Jan-10, 09:05:51 PM


Um...maybe I'm not seeing it.......but I'm not seeing it. Where did you get that pic from Ei?

(http://rfalconcam.com/gallery/processed/MainCamera_LowRes/20100130/MainCamera_LowRes_20100130-210100.jpg) (http://rfalconcam.com/gallery/processed/MainCamera/20100130/MainCamera_20100130-210100.jpg) Oh sheesh, I found it....NICE. Sorry.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 30-Jan-10, 10:46:02 PM

P.S. Shaky-I'm getting a 404 not found on the slide show archives

Yep, they're not there yet.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Annette on 31-Jan-10, 02:19:36 AM
Hi Donna,

I found it.
Look on forum menu: Archives -> Photo archive -> Archive viewer.
This is Shakys viewer.  ;)


Greetings
Annette


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 01-Feb-10, 11:39:33 AM

Janet, how long do you need to play with it?

I'd think a week would be good - I should have a good idea by Sunday, but I'm thinking of the members who have slower connections and the variety of browsers out there. 

Don't shoot me, please?  I'm not in love - a little busy, but I know the importance of keeping a site looking fresh.  Also, as long as the current info next to my picture of "Bart" stays there, I'm a happy camper.  It isn't a show-stopper and the back button and refresh always work. 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 02-Feb-10, 12:32:36 PM
Thanks, Janet. Just so you know, the menu change is not for looks. The Rfalconcam site currently has navigation issues. While all pages have a menu at the top, some pages also have a menu on the left side of the page while others don't because they don't have the room (like the forum for example). The left menu has links to every page, but the current top menu doesn't. This means that you can run into the old "you can't get there from here" scenario for some pages.

The new top menu does have links to every page including some new ones that are coming down the pike. This means you can quickly get to any page from any other page. It also means we won't need the left side menu anymore so we can use that space for other things like more and/or bigger pictures of the falcons.  


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 02-Feb-10, 12:40:34 PM

And a tad too sensitive for my taste...they're dropping down with even a glancing touch of the cursor...one of my pet peeves on other sites.


I have added a short delay before the menus drop down. Quit and restart your web browser and then see if the menus work better for you.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 02-Feb-10, 01:13:00 PM

And a tad too sensitive for my taste...they're dropping down with even a glancing touch of the cursor...one of my pet peeves on other sites.


I have added a short delay before the menus drop down. Quit and restart your web browser and then see if the menus work better for you.

The new top menu does have links to every page including some new ones that are coming down the pike. This means you can quickly get to any page from any other page.

Better...thank you!

And...re: the new links...can they be set to open a new tab/window like the internal forum ones do?  Not being greedy or anything  ;) ...it's just a nice feature if it's available.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 02-Feb-10, 01:19:40 PM
Thanks, Janet. Just so you know, the menu change is not for looks.

Got it - too much time dealing with marketing people (Arlington just did a complete website overhaul and freshness is a large part of the mix).  Understand the web pages that lead to nowhere  :happy:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 02-Feb-10, 01:27:34 PM

And...re: the new links...can they be set to open a new tab/window like the internal forum ones do?  Not being greedy or anything  ;) ...it's just a nice feature if it's available.

Yes, it can be set that way although it can be confusing for new users. They could end up with 50 windows open!

The trick I always use when I want to open a link in a new window is to hold down the shift key while clicking on the link. When I want to open the link in a new tab, I hold down the control key (command key on Mac) while clicking on the link.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 02-Feb-10, 01:29:50 PM
I really am loosing it!  I just "found" the left-side menu that Shaky mentioned.  Duh!

Question:  Is is me or is "lunch" thawing on the home page?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 02-Feb-10, 02:59:58 PM

And...re: the new links...can they be set to open a new tab/window like the internal forum ones do?  Not being greedy or anything  ;) ...it's just a nice feature if it's available.

Yes, it can be set that way although it can be confusing for new users. They could end up with 50 windows open!

The trick I always use when I want to open a link in a new window is to hold down the shift key while clicking on the link. When I want to open the link in a new tab, I hold down the control key (command key on Mac) while clicking on the link.

I do see where it could make a mess if you're not looking for a link to do that.  I usually just right click & open a new tab or window if I need to, but sometimes I forget particularly after I've been spoiled by the links within the forum.  We can always revisit it later.  Thanks!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Paul Hamilton on 02-Feb-10, 04:09:06 PM
Thanks, Shaky!

What I really like is being able to go directly to Quest's Weekly Map, Show Unread Posts, and the Archieve Viewer.  Cool!

Paul


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 02-Feb-10, 04:27:55 PM
Yes, it can be set that way although it can be confusing for new users. They could end up with 50 windows open!

The trick I always use when I want to open a link in a new window is to hold down the shift key while clicking on the link. When I want to open the link in a new tab, I hold down the control key (command key on Mac) while clicking on the link.

I do see where it could make a mess if you're not looking for a link to do that.  I usually just right click & open a new tab or window if I need to, but sometimes I forget particularly after I've been spoiled by the links within the forum.  We can always revisit it later.  Thanks!

I think the rule will be:
If the page you are going to has the navigation menu at the top of the page, it will open in the same window. If it doesn't (i.e. it doesn't have a way to get back to the site other than hitting the back button) it will open in a new window.

Of course you can override this by shift-clicking, control-clicking, or right-clicking the link.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: NoraH on 02-Feb-10, 05:18:11 PM
I usually just right-click on my choice and "open in new window" or depending on your browser's choices "open in new tab".  I usually do that with links from just about anywhere so I don't have to try and get back to the original place.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 15-Mar-10, 09:26:41 PM
I see the drop downs are now available on all the sites pages...cool beans!  :nerd:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 15-Mar-10, 09:30:42 PM
Yep, working on it.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 16-Mar-10, 06:20:24 AM
I like the home page - I'd like to see donate as the first button but that's just me  ;)


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 16-Mar-10, 06:42:32 AM
We don't actually have a home page... yet.  ;)


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 16-Mar-10, 06:55:45 AM
Home page...how much more home do we need than the Main Cam?   ;)

Just an fyi (and I don't even know if the pic will work-stupid work 'puter) on the Main Cam page here at work the buttons aren't showing up...IE 6.0, Win 2K, no flash player, limited java upgrades due to other program needs...etc., etc....



Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 16-Mar-10, 07:06:20 AM

Just an fyi (and I don't even know if the pic will work-stupid work 'puter) on the Main Cam page here at work the buttons aren't showing up...IE 6.0, Win 2K, no flash player, limited java upgrades due to other program needs...etc., etc....


Apparently the work Barracuda filter decided that Flickr is a social networking site...sigh...I think the picture is there...

Anyway...I forgot to say the buttons do "show up" when I mouse over them...and the buttons are there on the forum page...


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: valhalla on 16-Mar-10, 07:42:09 AM
Home page...how much more home do we need than the Main Cam?   ;)


 :ditto: :ditto: :ditto: (mega Maryland dittos)


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 16-Mar-10, 11:27:46 AM
Home page...how much more home do we need than the Main Cam?   ;)


What if there were more than one Main cam?

What does the main camera picture say about Rfalconcam to first time visitors?

Does it give them a good idea of what Rfalconcam is all about?

Does it tell them what is going on?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 16-Mar-10, 11:30:48 AM

Just an fyi (and I don't even know if the pic will work-stupid work 'puter) on the Main Cam page here at work the buttons aren't showing up...IE 6.0, Win 2K, no flash player, limited java upgrades due to other program needs...etc., etc....


Anyway...I forgot to say the buttons do "show up" when I mouse over them...and the buttons are there on the forum page...

That's odd because the buttons are the same for all pages. If it works on the forum, it should work on the main cam page, imprints, history, etc. Have you tried rebooting?


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 16-Mar-10, 12:01:45 PM
Home page...how much more home do we need than the Main Cam?   ;)


What if there were more than one Main cam?

What does the main camera picture say about Rfalconcam to first time visitors?

Does it give them a good idea of what Rfalconcam is all about?

Does it tell them what is going on?

All true...just saying... :happy:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 16-Mar-10, 12:04:22 PM

Anyway...I forgot to say the buttons do "show up" when I mouse over them...and the buttons are there on the forum page...

That's odd because the buttons are the same for all pages. If it works on the forum, it should work on the main cam page, imprints, history, etc. Have you tried rebooting?

Heavens no!   :o  Rebooting requires a minimum of 20 minutes...if I have 20 minutes to spare, I'd MUCH rather spend it here!  I'll let you know if anything changes when I start up in the morning.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 16-Mar-10, 12:12:10 PM
The changes were made last night. If you started up the computer this morning, it should have gotten the latest version.

Don't you just love old computers?  :stupid:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 17-Mar-10, 07:22:36 AM
The changes were made last night. If you started up the computer this morning, it should have gotten the latest version.

Don't you just love old computers?  :stupid:

Hmmm...another oddity...your response didn't show up on my "unread posts" list 'til this morning...

Anyway, I actually don't mind this old thing for the stuff it's intended to do...it's the fun stuff that gets it twisted :silly:

Further investigation this morning...it's only on the pages with the graphics on the left (cams, donations, history) that the buttons vanish...the ones with the active main section all the way to the left (forum, imprints...) have all the buttons


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 17-Mar-10, 09:23:13 AM

Further investigation this morning...it's only on the pages with the graphics on the left (cams, donations, history) that the buttons vanish...the ones with the active main section all the way to the left (forum, imprints...) have all the buttons

I did a little reading last night and found out that this is a known problem with IE6 and older versions. As long as you know how to work around it, I'm not going to try to figure out how to fix it. Hopefully you'll get a new computer at work someday.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 17-Mar-10, 09:43:45 AM

Further investigation this morning...it's only on the pages with the graphics on the left (cams, donations, history) that the buttons vanish...the ones with the active main section all the way to the left (forum, imprints...) have all the buttons

I did a little reading last night and found out that this is a known problem with IE6 and older versions. As long as you know how to work around it, I'm not going to try to figure out how to fix it. Hopefully you'll get a new computer at work someday.

Sounds like a plan to me...they keep promising a new computer, but I'm not holding my breath... :whistle:


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 19-Mar-10, 06:59:03 AM

Further investigation this morning...it's only on the pages with the graphics on the left (cams, donations, history) that the buttons vanish...the ones with the active main section all the way to the left (forum, imprints...) have all the buttons

I did a little reading last night and found out that this is a known problem with IE6 and older versions. As long as you know how to work around it, I'm not going to try to figure out how to fix it. Hopefully you'll get a new computer at work someday.

Sounds like a plan to me...they keep promising a new computer, but I'm not holding my breath... :whistle:

Shaky-did you tweak something?  All the buttons are there in their proper places this morning...thanks!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 19-Mar-10, 08:48:51 AM
Yes, I tweaked something to make the menu work properly on The Scrape (http://www.cafepress.com/rfalconcam), one of our stores (http://rfalconcam.com/rfc-main/store.php). I guess that also fixed the IE6 problem.

There is still one minor IE problem that I have yet to fix, but no one has complained about it.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 28-Mar-10, 04:10:00 PM
I've modified the top menu and added the home page I mentioned earlier. Hopefully this will make the site a little friendlier to newcomers.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: DianaR on 28-Mar-10, 04:17:16 PM
Good idea for the main menu - and thanks to you, Sahky, or whoever it was who fixed Camera #1.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: DianaR on 28-Mar-10, 04:17:50 PM
Oops - we do know that is intended to be Shaky, don't we!


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Mardean on 28-Mar-10, 04:35:07 PM
I like the "show unread posts" option under the Forum tab -- real handy. Thanks, Shaky.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 28-Mar-10, 07:33:20 PM
Nice page-feels a little cluttered to me, though (just my opinion)-maybe the frame could be widened a bit? 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 29-Mar-10, 07:37:30 AM
If you think it's cluttered now, you should have seen my first draft!  :lol:

The width is fixed at 800 pixels for several reasons, one of them being that the most popular smart phones like the iPhone, Droid, and Google Nexus One have an 800 pixel wide display.


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Mar-10, 08:24:51 AM
If you think it's cluttered now, you should have seen my first draft!  :lol:

The width is fixed at 800 pixels for several reasons, one of them being that the most popular smart phones like the iPhone, Droid, and Google Nexus One have an 800 pixel wide display.

I'm sure the first draft would make one fine Shaky pic!  :silly:

OK...that makes sense, since one of the neatest things about the site is being able to communicate from home & the field! 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: carla on 29-Mar-10, 07:40:19 PM
I love the new homepage.
Good work!!

Greetings Carla 8)


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Joyce on 16-Apr-10, 05:48:06 PM
Shaky -- I know the Rfalconcam Homepage is busy, but is there anyway to include the recent facts of the dates and approximate times when each leg was laid?

Egg #1  April 8 (2:40 pm)
Egg #2  April 10 (11:00 pm)
Egg #3  April 13 (8:45 am)
Egg #4  April 15 (6:43 pm)


 


Title: Re: New idea for top menu
Post by: Shaky on 16-Apr-10, 09:57:20 PM
I don't see it being added to the home page. That would require approval of the exec committee.

How about in the forum FAQ? Or in the files section if it's a question that's not asked very often, which is probably the case. It could eventually be added to the Falcon History page although none of the other years include the hatch dates.

I hope to add an information page to the site someday. It would be the equivalent of  the information page on my site. Facts like this would be found there.