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Title: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 02-Sep-09, 07:48:28 AM
I see a juvie in the nest this morning....or afternoon their time.


Title: Re: DeMortel A juvie in nest
Post by: valhalla on 02-Sep-09, 08:33:14 AM
I see a juvie in the nest this morning....or afternoon their time.

How can you tell it's a juvie? ??? :falcon:


Title: Re: DeMortel A juvie in nest
Post by: Donna on 02-Sep-09, 09:07:18 AM
I see a juvie in the nest this morning....or afternoon their time.

How can you tell it's a juvie? ??? :falcon:

 ??? well....cuz to me it looked like a juvie....didn't have that adult look to it on an earlier shot. I could be wrong Janet.....it happens often to me.. :crying:


Title: Re: DeMortel A juvie in nest
Post by: Donna on 02-Sep-09, 09:12:33 AM
Ok, this one looks like an adult but the pic below looks like a Juvie to me....maybe has a speckled chest???? IDK, I'm nuts :silly:


Title: Re: DeMortel A juvie in nest
Post by: Donna on 02-Sep-09, 09:28:01 AM
S2 and Pa in nest...they have sound still on the site but the pics refresh every 20 seconds. They were very vocal.

http://www.alticam.nl/ (http://www.alticam.nl/)


Title: Re: DeMortel A juvie in nest
Post by: valhalla on 02-Sep-09, 01:58:25 PM
Man!  This working stuff is getting in the way of things!  ;) I keep missing everything  :blindfold: 


Title: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Donna on 22-Apr-10, 02:35:54 PM
http://www.alticam.nl/live.html (http://www.alticam.nl/live.html)   :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Kris G. on 22-Apr-10, 03:22:20 PM
                   

                                        :clap:


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Annette on 23-Apr-10, 03:03:31 AM
GREAT!  :mbanana:


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: MAK on 23-Apr-10, 07:55:31 AM
 :yahoo:


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Aafke on 23-Apr-10, 04:08:27 PM
Thanks Donna
Great news.
I hope the test will succeed and it will be permanent.


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Donna on 28-Apr-10, 06:38:35 AM
Anyone know what's going on at the DeMortel site? Cams have been down for a few days.


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Aafke on 28-Apr-10, 04:41:44 PM
There is a big problem with the camera connection, it's not sure that they can fix it.
There are 4 babies.
Here you can find a picture of them
http://perigrines.nl/forumtest/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=800
greetings Aafke


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Donna on 28-Apr-10, 06:29:16 PM
There is a big problem with the camera connection, it's not sure that they can fix it.
There are 4 babies.
Here you can find a picture of them
http://perigrines.nl/forumtest/viewtopic.php?t=253&start=800
greetings Aafke


Yowzer...........when the heck did they all hatch? When the cams went down....of course!  :surprise:

Thanks Aafke for the news. It's a shame about that cam, was a good one for sure.


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Annette on 29-Apr-10, 12:41:49 AM
De Mortel is back (10 sec. refresh).  :happy:


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Donna on 29-Apr-10, 07:16:39 AM
Pa brought some lunch in

The kids

These pics are from the forum


Title: Re: DeMortel has a Live test stream
Post by: Donna on 29-Apr-10, 07:18:48 AM
and just now


Title: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Mar-11, 12:45:22 PM
Some pics from Pa and S2 in the Netherlands


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Mar-11, 07:24:25 AM
March 13


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 16-Mar-11, 08:36:35 AM
It looks lonely!  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: valhalla on 16-Mar-11, 01:19:31 PM
It looks lonely!  :wave:

Won't be for long!   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Aafke on 23-Mar-11, 08:55:07 AM
I just saw and heard them together.
greetings Aafke


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Mar-11, 08:58:34 AM
3 eggs there now!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 23-Mar-11, 09:04:15 AM
3 eggs there now!
:thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 23-Mar-11, 11:08:00 AM
 :2thumbsup: ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Apr-11, 07:34:47 AM
Check out the 1st video on the right. Reminds me of Kaver trying to cover the eggs.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Apr-11, 07:21:29 AM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk) 1st video on right, 3 falcons. Reminds me of when S2 came around.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 15-Apr-11, 02:38:05 PM
Thankfully that went smoothly without any drama. Not on camera anyway!   :gum:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 22-Apr-11, 07:59:23 PM
2 hatched!! I snipped this off the video!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 22-Apr-11, 08:01:48 PM
2 hatched!! I snipped this off the video!

 :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 28-Apr-11, 08:01:28 AM
2 hatched!! I snipped this off the video!

 :clap:

I guess the 3rd egg won't hatch..unusual for them.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-May-11, 07:20:39 AM
Babies, babies every where!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 11-May-11, 06:35:00 AM
Curious little one!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 11-May-11, 06:41:47 AM
Curious little one!
Cute!  :wub:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 20-May-11, 07:13:18 AM
2 girls and 1 boy for DeMortel.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk) go to May 17th video on the right.



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 20-May-11, 07:51:33 AM
Thanks,they are growing so fast....

Greetings Carla


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 20-May-11, 08:51:02 AM
2 girls and 1 boy for DeMortel.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk) go to May 17th video on the right.



 :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 21-May-11, 03:44:29 PM
2 girls and 1 boy for DeMortel.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk) go to May 17th video on the right.



They was hungry!  :spaghetti:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 22-May-11, 07:20:03 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)  :hysterical: Look at the 1st video on the right!! S2 had no clue what to do. Don't mess with a hungry eyas!!  :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 22-May-11, 08:17:31 PM
 ??? Has no clue at all!   :rolleyes: :rofl:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-May-11, 07:52:32 AM
8:50, Tuesday, May 24, 2011

The young falcon Mortier visited yesterday afternoon, not exactly look like a newly fledged juvenile. He / she looks very moth-eaten and there flies originally a spring on his left ultimately blown away. Yet I see no feathers with a gray tint on the back. I think it is half calendar falcon, probably from a northern population. They begin one month or two later with the post juvenile moult (so called moulting of juvenile dress to the first adult plumage) than their Central European counterparts. So I think it will trigger by a late-winter guest.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)1st video on the right shows the Juvenile who visited the nest yesterday and Pa swooping by.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-Jun-11, 09:42:59 AM
The 3 juvies are getting ready to go soon. Always 1 brave one.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Jun-11, 04:53:11 PM
Why is it so bright at almost 11pm? It's beautiful!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Jun-11, 08:42:54 PM
You guys having moon problems in the NL? What's with this big glowing thing? It keeps glowing brighter and lighter. I've never seen this before!  :devil:

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk) Have a look

Maybe it's the cam!! Looks cool but strange.



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Jun-11, 08:20:37 AM
Pa and S2 have a quiet 1/2 hour together. They dine on the ledge. Check out the 1st video on the right. Pa caught the prey, S2 came and took it from him, then she fed him.  :heart:

2nd video is good too, juvie takes prey from dad.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Jun-11, 10:48:21 AM
Pa and S2 have a quiet 1/2 hour together. They dine on the ledge. Check out the 1st video on the right. Pa caught the prey, S2 came and took it from him, then she fed him.  :heart:

2nd video is good too, juvie takes prey from dad.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)

Loved these videos!  Look at the one from 6/10 where Pa is lifted up by the wind like a helicopter!  They're such a devoted couple-wish Beauty had a mate like that.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 15-Jun-11, 11:19:00 AM
Pa and S2 have a quiet 1/2 hour together. They dine on the ledge. Check out the 1st video on the right. Pa caught the prey, S2 came and took it from him, then she fed him.  :heart:

2nd video is good too, juvie takes prey from dad.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)

Loved these videos!  Look at the one from 6/10 where Pa is lifted up by the wind like a helicopter!  They're such a devoted couple-wish Beauty had a mate like that.  :(

But don't forget how S2 came into the picture...now that was a season of tears!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Jun-11, 02:15:05 PM
Pa and S2 have a quiet 1/2 hour together. They dine on the ledge. Check out the 1st video on the right. Pa caught the prey, S2 came and took it from him, then she fed him.  :heart:

2nd video is good too, juvie takes prey from dad.

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/slechtvalk)

Loved these videos!  Look at the one from 6/10 where Pa is lifted up by the wind like a helicopter!  They're such a devoted couple-wish Beauty had a mate like that.  :(

But don't forget how S2 came into the picture...now that was a season of tears!

An absolute nightmare! A rough few weeks Ei.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 15-Jun-11, 10:15:38 PM
please tell


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 16-Jun-11, 04:11:46 AM
I'll never forget.

Last night they were all sleeping in the nestbox.Too Cute!

Greetings Carla


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Jun-11, 06:31:31 AM
please tell

A few years ago, there was a happy couple in DeMortel. Ma and Pa. They raised many babies, all was good. Suddenly, after Ma laid some eggs and they hatched, an interloper came in and disrupted the whole happy family. Her name was S2, (band numbers). She was a Juvie herself and probably, as we think, took out Ma or chased her. The babies were just so new and Pa was left to raise them. He was doing well bringing in food but......that darn S2 would steal the food right right out of his mouth, right in the nest box. Pa looked perplexed every time. Meanwhile, the babies did not get fed, she stole every catch. The eyases were starving. Pa got an idea, he would catch prey, let S2 take it and he would have a hidden stash which when she was eating, he would use the cache to feed his 3 babies. It worked for a while but one was so weak, he died. This went on for a week or so and S2 would come in the nest and just look at the 2 eyases like, "what are they?" After some time had passed, S2 decided to try and feed the little ones. By this time, they were afraid of her and wouldn't eat. Well when they were hungry enough, they finally took the food from her and she acted like a mom and both raised 2 well-fed healthy eyases. They grew and fledged and the rest is history. She remains there today as a great loving mom. Trust me, if you would have been on KFC back then, it was mayhem over this. We all remember. That's the story.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 16-Jun-11, 04:45:23 PM
wow---what a tale--thanks---probably it was just  being a juvie
that made her act as she did at 1st


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Jun-11, 05:01:51 PM
wow---what a tale--thanks---probably it was just  being a juvie
that made her act as she did at 1st

Oh she was a Juvie begging for food but turned herself around and became a step-mom and now a mother herself.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 16-Jun-11, 05:16:47 PM
Kinda rough but a good ending!  ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 29-Jul-11, 10:04:05 AM
S2 injured by shotgun pellets

Mortel, Gemert, July 29, 2011

The female peregrine falcon with ring S2 is found Wednesday, July 27, 2011 alive but injured in the municipality of Gemert. After reporting to the Vogelwerkgroep Gemert on Thursday, July 28, S2 was picked up. The bird is in good condition but has a seriously injured wing. An expert veterinarian was immediately contacted. X-rays showed the wing is broken at several places. On the x-ray was clearly visible a fragment of shotgun pellets. The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has reported this to the local police.

Upcoming Saturday there will be an operation carried out to the injuries. Also further examination will be done. Experts indicate that the recovery and rehabilitation of fractures in the wings of birds of prey are difficult to treat. The VWG Gemert makes every effort to achieve a full recovery. But we must seriously take into account, S2 can never hunt again on her own. There is good collaboration between groups (Peregrine Falcons Netherlands and the Bird Protection Society of the Netherlands) and how they should act when a complete recovery is impossible.

If more is known about the treatment and recovery possibilities of S2 we will inform you as soon as possible via this website and the website of VWG Gemert.

Source: http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/ (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Paul Hamilton on 29-Jul-11, 10:23:31 AM
Oh, no.
I hope there is a good outcome.  I hope the police find who did this.

Paul


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 29-Jul-11, 10:27:04 AM
OMG, This is so bad. How could anyone do such a thing. With all the craziness that happened when she replaced Ma, she actually amazed us all by stepping up to the plate and taking care of Pa's babies. That poor girl. Shoot the A$$ that did this. I'm very upset.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 29-Jul-11, 10:39:01 AM
  :no: When I first came aboard I watched this site almost as much as M&K! I'm heartbroken to hear this news. Why do people have to be so horrible?  :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying: :( :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 29-Jul-11, 11:56:15 AM
I also have watched PA and S2 for a few years, raising their families, and am heartbroken too.  I will never understand what makes people do such cruel things like this.  :'(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 29-Jul-11, 04:16:17 PM
This is so sad,so many people in The Netherlands followed this pair,and also a lot of people around the world.I hope she's gonna make it and  will come back,but I'm afraid  she will never fly again.I am in shock!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Joyce on 29-Jul-11, 04:54:38 PM
I just read the news on CMNH that Carly posted...figured it was posted here as well. S2 and Pa were watched around the world the year she took over as the female. Pa became Super-Pa and his attentiveness to those two eyases Faith and Hope was phenominal. Many of us saw S2 come into her own. One thing that Donna left out of her story, is that it was Mother's Day when S2 bonded with the two eyases.

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTgx42H80IA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTgx42H80IA#)

She was a good mother and a good teacher. If she can't be returned to the wild, I bet she would make an excellent captive foster mom.

It makes me so mad to hear this.  It is hard to take when nature takes it course with peregrines that we follow online such as Hillary and little Pilate in Ohio, but this is totally senseless!  And now Pa is alone again...



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 29-Jul-11, 05:49:18 PM
I remember that so well Joyce. S2 started picking up sweet nothings in the nest to try and feed them. It was bittersweet!! That poor girl.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 29-Jul-11, 05:58:39 PM
 >:(  This is horrible news.  Poor S2.  I just don't understand, never will.  Hope she recovers and is able to return to the wild and Pa.  Be well S2.   :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 29-Jul-11, 06:30:32 PM
How could anyone do this?  Poor gal :crying:  I hope that she will be able to fly freely again :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 29-Jul-11, 06:57:25 PM
whatever idiot did this needs to face a firing squad of gun-toting
raptors and see just how much fun it is to be shot   
 


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 29-Jul-11, 06:58:12 PM
whatever idiot did this needs to face a firing squad of gun-toting
raptors and see just how much fun it is to be shot   
 


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 30-Jul-11, 12:16:44 PM
Posted on BCAW today:

Successful surgery female peregrine on gunshot wound

GEMERT - The female peregrine falcon who made De Mortel famous through the webcams of the “beleef de Lente”, was successfully operated on a gunshot wound to her wing. She was found injured Thursday in the municipality of Gemert.
Since 2007, millions of people follow the living of the falcon during the breeding season through the cameras of the “beleef de Lente”. This is the webcam project of Netherlands Society for the Protection of Birds (BVN).

"Complicated operation"
According to vet Caroline Hommers it was a rather complicated operation. The small ball was in the right wing of the animal and the bones in the same wing were also broken at several places. "We first removed the bullet and then the wound was closed. It was a steel sphere with a diameter of about two to three millimeters. Then we external y fixed the wing. This means it is fixed using two pens inside and the outside of the wing. These pins must stay four to six weeks. "

difficult moment during the operation
According to Hommers there was a difficult moment during the operation. "When we got the falcon from the anesthesia, she just stopped breathing. Fortunately, we could recover easily from this. This is a signal of stress from the animal. Now we hope she shall eat and strengthens. After four to six weeks we make an x-ray to see if she can go back into the wild.

S2
The female peregrine falcon is called S2. which refers to the ring number on her leg. She first came into view in 2007. Who shot the female, it is still unclear. The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has reported this to the police, which is investigating the case. The ball is transferred. The killing of birds of prey is strictly prohibited in the Netherlands .



 :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Jul-11, 12:52:25 PM
This is great news and I hope she makes a full recovery. Has this ever happened before, releasing a Falcon who has had surgery on the wing?  I say it was a "PUNK" shot for the fun of it or a Pigeon fancier who's pissed off at the falcons for killing their pigeons. Who ever did this...MUST be punished but of course, they will never find the idiot.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 30-Jul-11, 01:13:13 PM
This is great news and I hope she makes a full recovery. Has this ever happened before, releasing a Falcon who has had surgery on the wing?  I say it was a "PUNK" shot for the fun of it or a Pigeon fancier who's pissed off at the falcons for killing their pigeons. Who ever did this...MUST be punished but of course, they will never find the idiot.  :(

I wondered about the possibility of release after an injury like this too.  I guess maybe it's a wait and see?


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 30-Jul-11, 01:16:27 PM
 goodnews:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 30-Jul-11, 04:20:18 PM
 :2thumbsup: I shall remain hopeful for S2 to return to the wild and live out her life in freedom!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 30-Jul-11, 05:29:17 PM
This is great news and I hope she makes a full recovery. Has this ever happened before, releasing a Falcon who has had surgery on the wing?  I say it was a "PUNK" shot for the fun of it or a Pigeon fancier who's pissed off at the falcons for killing their pigeons. Who ever did this...MUST be punished but of course, they will never find the idiot.  :(

I wondered about the possibility of release after an injury like this too.  I guess maybe it's a wait and see?
That's what I think ,wait and see....


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 30-Jul-11, 08:34:34 PM
CMNH posted this from another Forum about S2:

Positive News About S2

de Betty Dam, el Sábado, 30 de julio de 2011 a las 19:56

"Important is that she keeps eating. I do expect so, because she was clear and not afraid after the operation. THE CHANCE OF BEING BROUGHT BACK INTO NATURE IS BIG, according to Hommers (the vet). But we have to wait and see for the moment."

The outer fixation has to remain for the coming 4 to 6 weeks. "Then we will make a control-foto to see if the bones have recovered. If this is the case, we will take it away". The Perigrine shall have to get used to the new situation for a while. "It is quite a weight that´s hanging down her wing now".




Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Jul-11, 08:41:29 PM
Poor S2!  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: margaret on 31-Jul-11, 12:07:05 AM
:2thumbsup: I shall remain hopeful for S2 to return to the wild and live out her life in freedom!  :heart:

Yeah, I second that emotion!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 31-Jul-11, 12:41:24 AM
:2thumbsup: I shall remain hopeful for S2 to return to the wild and live out her life in freedom!  :heart:

Yeah, I second that emotion!

I agree-- and I hope that the person who did this too her will not live in freedom


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 02-Aug-11, 09:18:46 AM
Posted on BCAW:

Update S2
Gemert, zondag 31 juli 2011, 20.27 uur

S2 is recovering well the last 24 hours from the long-term operation.
She behaves calmly and has already eaten a whole bird. With the food her medicine is administered, antibiotics and a painkiller. This medication is dropped on a small piece of fresh, tender meat and when she has eaten that, she gets the whole prey. This way we want to make sure she gets all of the medication. We must ensure that the prey is not too greasy and heavy obviously, otherwise she will never leave the ground. She consumes little energy now of course. If a full recovery occurs, we must ensure that she gets in a good condition. How that training is going to be done we are not quite sure yet, but we do this in consultation with qualified persons.

That S2 is quiet has nothing to do with her injury and / or anaesthesia. Peregrines are naturally calm, calculated and cold-blooded, real rulers of the skies. Actually quite a bit arrogant but in this case that is very beneficial for her recovery.

In the coming days we will bring you news about her condition and further developments at least every two days. In addition, we try to post some footage on this website.

We are deeply impressed that you are all so sympathizing with S2 and are contacting us about her. For us it is impossible to personally thank everyone for the many positive comments through our contact form. It supports and encourages us and we hope like you all that S2 will properly heal and regains her freedom.

We will keep you informed in the coming weeks!
    :2thumbsup:

And in the meantime:

Latest news from the tower:

On Friday somebody saw a 2nd colour-year Falcon (born in 2010) with a yellow band on the right leg.
This Falcon was again seen on Saturday and today.
Judging by the size it is a female. The yellow band, with a black line in the middle, means she is born in Belgium.
She has been flying with Pa, no aggression was observed.
It is very likely that this is the same Falcon as the one observed on May 23.    :nono:





Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 02-Aug-11, 09:55:21 AM
Yay for S2 and the folks treating her and NAY on the female with Pa. Don't get too comfortable yet! Hurry and heal girl, your Pa needs you or maybe not as the peregrine goes!  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 02-Aug-11, 10:14:28 AM
If S2 returns there will be a battle.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 02-Aug-11, 10:27:20 AM
If S2 returns there will be a battle.

I'm afraid there will be too, Annette.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Aug-11, 02:21:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsykYQC-mE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsykYQC-mE#) S2's operation.....thanks Kris. Poor girl.

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/30-operatie-s2-geslaagd.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/30-operatie-s2-geslaagd.html) This is in Dutch but you get the idea. Last pic is of the mouth to mouth they had to give her.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 03-Aug-11, 02:43:40 PM
Poor S2.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Aug-11, 04:22:41 PM
http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/26-nadere-info-over-s2.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/26-nadere-info-over-s2.html) S2 and her X-ray


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 03-Aug-11, 05:08:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsykYQC-mE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsykYQC-mE#) S2's operation.....thanks Kris. Poor girl.

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/30-operatie-s2-geslaagd.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/30-operatie-s2-geslaagd.html) This is in Dutch but you get the idea. Last pic is of the mouth to mouth they had to give her.  :(

Wow!  That is so incredible.  Come on S2!  Heal quickly and fly free again.   :wub:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 03-Aug-11, 05:28:38 PM
They did a great job ! Thanks for the info.Thanks to all.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 03-Aug-11, 06:47:13 PM
:pray:  Bless them!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: littlejemison129 on 03-Aug-11, 09:11:10 PM
Dear little girl~I hope she flies again~ :heart: :heart: :heart:
I am shocked that a "human" would do this to these beautiful birds  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 03-Aug-11, 10:52:11 PM
remember S2--what doesnt kill you makes you stronger--vamanous intruder


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Aug-11, 06:40:07 AM
http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/159303682/Slechtvalk+Gemert+maakt+het+goed.aspx (http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/159303682/Slechtvalk+Gemert+maakt+het+goed.aspx) Video on S2

Translation/Google


GEMERT - going well for the last week hurt peregrine was found in Gemert, in a meadow. The female was hit by a bullet in her right wing. She was operated on last Saturday. And Wednesday morning, the vet visite.Een connection and a splint on the wing. This should at least another peregrine S2 in the coming weeks through life. She was wounded by a hail pellet. But it goes well with this magnificent bird, vet says Caroline Mommers.

You might not say, but this peregrine has one hundred thousand fans around the world. This is the webcam for years in her nest box hung in the mortar. Due to the number on her ring as the S2's Internet audience.

Gemert, Thursday, August 4, 2011

This morning the vet Caroline Hommers been visiting with S2.
Caroline last Saturday together with her colleague Dirk Riemersma the rather complex operation performed successfully.
Below this message you will see two links through information about their work and practice.

During her visit Caroline S2 and examined her wound care.
The large hematoma in her wing was almost completely gone, the skin looked beautiful pink and there were no infections present. Moreover, a bruise beneficial for the restoration of bone tissue. Even new springs were already visible, is expected to have four weeks of nothing to see the bald spot under her wing. The antibiotics can be stopped from tomorrow and S2 will no longer receive medication. Caroline has the loose debris removal and related anti-inflammatory ointment under the fixation applied. Also listened to her heartbeat and looked at her overall condition, again only positive results, she does it really outstanding.
After the two wings were again fixed on her tail feathers showed S2 see this not so great to find and soon she had both her wings again free. This in itself is not so bad, both as the two splints bothelften are well fixed and S2 remains well off here. In addition, they now feel themselves very well or how she uses her wings and her muscles in her shoulders will also have some movement which later is beneficial.
In a few weeks back to Caroline with a mobile, digital röngenapparaat take pictures. S2 so that we do not carry unnecessary. Then examined whether the bothelften well together and when the fixation pins and can be removed. S2 will then be placed in a larger space so they can work on her condition.

BBC News this morning was also present and recordings. These images you will probably already have seen on TV and / or the Internet.
Later tonight there will be some photos posted on this site and a link to the broadcast images of Brabant. There are not many pictures because we assisted in the investigation of S2 and because they reside in a secured cage. Here too was the importance of S2 first.

VWG Gemert  (Sounds positive)  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 05-Aug-11, 07:34:39 AM
Sounds very good for S2! Thanks for posting, Donna!  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 05-Aug-11, 07:36:05 AM
Great news about S2! :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Aug-11, 08:28:13 AM
 goodnews: :thanx:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Aug-11, 03:14:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTEPWAU2kY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTEPWAU2kY#) This was after they revived her when her heart stopped.

New female  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 06-Aug-11, 03:49:59 PM
 :phew: Wonderful to see her chest moving up and down with every breath!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 06-Aug-11, 04:35:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTEPWAU2kY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTEPWAU2kY#) This was after they revived her when her heart stopped.

New female  :(

There's been 3 females vying for Pa's affection! :o


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Aug-11, 07:03:14 PM
It goes well with S2

Gemert, August 7, 2011

S2 is doing well and actually has little to report.
She sits quietly in her residence (HxWxD 90x60x60) which is shielded by a white blind. This residence is a site where they perch quietly spends her days. The blind should not let them get stimulated by outside influences.
It gets a bit monotonous but still eats well, is quiet and seemingly has no problems with her wing and fixation. It therefore remains hopeful but X-rays must have three weeks more clarity on a full recovery.
If the radiographs show well-repaired cracks, the pins are removed at a later date. After removal of the pins and their fixation on her condition she will have to go over and then bring us back into the wild. S2 will basically get her freedom back to where she was found, it would not be in the vicinity of the tower are the mortar. Crow flies, it is a piece of nothing and the tower from here at altitude visible.
Then she stands for a new challenge in her life, she returns to the tower in De Mortel?
If so, then she will have to enter into a confrontation with her compatriot and is it still appeals to her husband Pa? Exciting times for all parties, both for the peregrine falcons and for many visitors to our website where the images refresh to see and visitors to the various forums. But also for visitors to the field spotters and the immediate vicinity of the tower of the mortar. They will then be "live" report on the operations of S2, Pa and B / Y.
But that is not yet, we will in the coming weeks and have to wait or S2 completely recovers and then indicate when they are released.

This week we visited the asylum keeper, and we make some pictures and a video of the environment where S2 now resides. We publish these photos and then the video on this website. Since S2 is now stable and quiet to recover from her injuries, we will not be every 2 to 3 days post a message. Once a week we will post you have S2 or when appropriate for a further interim report on this site.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 08-Aug-11, 07:17:06 PM
 :pray: I pray that she continues to recover peacefully. Thanks for the update.  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 08-Aug-11, 09:45:47 PM
She's in a good place, getting the best of care.  Be well S2.   :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 09-Aug-11, 08:15:00 PM
UPDATE on S2

Gemert, Tuesday, August 9 2011


The female Peregrine Falcon S2 is using both wings again.
Of course the external fixation on the injured wing is somewhat in the way but the owner of the shelter observed S2 using both wings regularly and seemingly without much problems.
This also is proof that the fixation is doing it's job and she probably is not feeling any pain from the broken bones any more.
Moving her wings is good for the muscles although it's not enough to get them back to full strength.
That will have to be done later with intense training but for now she is hugely improving!

VWG Gemert


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Aug-11, 08:26:09 PM
 :clap: What a gal!! She wants to get back to Pa and kick butt!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 09-Aug-11, 09:25:41 PM
 :mbanana: Keep on keepin' on S2! We're all cheering for ya!  :bguitar:  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Aug-11, 09:33:19 PM
http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=715&p=148776#p148776 (http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=715&p=148776#p148776) Go here for an excellent pic of S2. She looks wonderful, considering.  :heart: :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Aug-11, 09:45:20 PM
Here she is!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 09-Aug-11, 10:10:26 PM
Here she is!!

 :heart: :2thumbsup: :wub:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 09-Aug-11, 10:29:17 PM
Awww, what a cutie!!!!!! :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 09-Aug-11, 10:34:36 PM
She's beautiful!   :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 10-Aug-11, 04:42:31 AM
 goodnews:  :mbanana:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-Aug-11, 07:37:53 PM
Video of S2 Aug. 12th

http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ (http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-Aug-11, 07:48:44 PM
Video of S2 Aug. 12th

http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ (http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ)

The Parrot was crying, the wounded wing, the other not, Troublemaker, was probably referring to the Parrot screaming next door.

Google translate in order of appearance on the video! She is a very pretty girl the 1 wing looks bad but the other is good. Time will tell.  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 12-Aug-11, 07:49:36 PM
She looks good but I hate to see her all cooped up like that!  :heart: Thanks Kris!  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-Aug-11, 08:04:12 PM
Video of S2 Aug. 12th

http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ (http://youtu.be/xBJUeq4NTvQ)

The Parrot was crying, the wounded wing, the other not, Troublemaker, was probably referring to the Parrot screaming next door.

Google translate in order of appearance on the video! She is a very pretty girl the 1 wing looks bad but the other is good. Time will tell.  :heart:

Thanks for translating! I wondered where all the noises were coming from!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 12-Aug-11, 11:12:20 PM
Thanks for continuing to share updates on S2's condition with us Kris.    :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Aug-11, 07:33:44 PM
Peregrine S2

Gemert, August 12, 2011

Today we visited the rehabilitation center and saw that the female peregrine S2 is still looking very good.

The people at the rehab center said that she is still active and both wings are being used properly. As previously mentioned, the wings are no longer taped to the tail feathers. An important factor is that they do not let the wounded wing "hang", and she can raise it well. The tip of the wing is just like the tip of the other wing, just at the height of the tail feathers. So that is a good sign, but this does not necessarily mean that the pieces of bone are growing together well and that complete recovery will occur. We still take into account that the female peregrine falcon may not be able to return to the wild. That would still indicate that euthanasia should be considered. For now, everything looks good and we are putting every effort into giving S2 her freedom back.

From today we will post an update once a week about the progress of S2. If it should be warranted, there will be an extra message posted on this site.

Sad to think that they would euthanize S2 if she can't return to the wild.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 15-Aug-11, 07:54:14 PM
Sad to think that they would euthanize S2 if she can't return to the wild.   :(
   :ditto:  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Aug-11, 09:22:44 PM
OMG, couldn't they keep her as an educational bird? Give her to CPF!! Put her down for what? Don't let Mark Nash hear about this! I'm shocked!   :o


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Aug-11, 09:46:41 PM
OMG, couldn't they keep her as an educational bird? Give her to CPF!! Put her down for what? Don't let Mark Nash hear about this! I'm shocked!   :o

And what's really sad is that Pa is pair bonding with the new female.  He doesn't know what happened to S2 so he is moving on and S2 doesn't realize what's happening with Pa.  All because some jerk decided to shoot S2, life has sadly changed for this pair.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Aug-11, 09:59:20 PM
OMG, couldn't they keep her as an educational bird? Give her to CPF!! Put her down for what? Don't let Mark Nash hear about this! I'm shocked!   :o

And what's really sad is that Pa is pair bonding with the new female.  He doesn't know what happened to S2 so he is moving on and S2 doesn't realize what's happening with Pa.  All because some jerk decided to shoot S2, life has sadly changed for this pair.

This is just breaking my heart!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 15-Aug-11, 10:26:51 PM
 :no: :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 15-Aug-11, 10:58:39 PM
There has to be an alternative ???


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 16-Aug-11, 08:28:16 AM
Yes, this is a sad story. I remember when S2 first appeared on the scene and everyone was appalled at her behavior until she finally figured out that she should feed the chick already in the nest instead of eating all the food brought in by the male. Possible euthanasia is certainly not an outcome I like. Perhaps those in charge think that would be kinder than confining her to a cage after she has known total freedom of the skies. Even if she heals enough to be released, that probably will set up a battle with PA's new female. And as Kris said, all because some jerk (insert cuss word of your choice) decided it would be fun to shoot her.

Dot in PA


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Aug-11, 02:23:26 PM
One of the 2 new females!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 16-Aug-11, 02:51:30 PM
One of the 2 new females!
TWO new females?  :o


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 16-Aug-11, 05:28:02 PM
One of the 2 new females!

Somewhere in Toronto, Jack the Tiercel is smiling  :lol: :devil:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Shaky on 16-Aug-11, 05:44:53 PM
On Kfalconcam:

Quote
I saw Pa in the box by his lonesome for awhile this morning. He sure has his
talons full! Christiane


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 16-Aug-11, 07:48:08 PM
One of the 2 new females!

Somewhere in Toronto, Jack the Tiercel is smiling  :lol: :devil:

Yeah Carly so is Archer from Rochester!  :laugh:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Lizz on 16-Aug-11, 09:06:59 PM
I repeat - TWO females??


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 16-Aug-11, 09:09:30 PM
Too bad they can't send her here or to CPF.  Course if she were here, Archer would visit :devil:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Aug-11, 09:45:29 PM
Too bad they can't send her here or to CPF.  Course if she were here, Archer would visit :devil:

They were saying that on BCAW, they will take up a collection and fly her to the states or Canada if she can't fly again!! Lots of unhappy people over there.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 16-Aug-11, 10:38:24 PM
i'll contribute--just tell me how


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Aug-11, 11:13:37 PM
i'll contribute--just tell me how

They have a while before they get the final word on S2. I hope that if she can fly and heal well enough, they just let her go, far far from DeMortel. She wouldn't stand a chance with the new BIG female, if that's who Pa has chosen. Scary to think what may happen. I believe they already collected donations for her care. That was nice chlosmom!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 17-Aug-11, 06:11:06 AM
I repeat - TWO females??

From what DEF has said over on BCAW, two females have been witnessed there with Pa.  A local resident also spotted them fighting twice so far, talons locked in the air.  Hopefully no one dies over the nest.  It's quite a popular site, I know S2 has had to fend off quite a few females there during her reign.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 17-Aug-11, 06:28:06 AM
OMG, couldn't they keep her as an educational bird? Give her to CPF!! Put her down for what? Don't let Mark Nash hear about this! I'm shocked!   :o

Actually I think Mark and Marion might agree with them, depending on the bird in question.  I used to feel the same way until they explained to me how once wild birds do in captivity.  Marion told me that you can see in their eyes that somehow the life has gone out of them.  That's why they prefer to use imprinted birds for the education program, they raise them from babies and the birds don't know anything else so they thrive.   A biologist out west that I correspond with also said the same thing, she's been working with wild birds for over 20 years and said most of them don't make good educational birds because they miss being free.    

If they didn't care about S2, they wouldn't be doing all they could to save her but quality of life is just as important for a falcon as it is for a human in my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 17-Aug-11, 06:41:46 AM
OMG, couldn't they keep her as an educational bird? Give her to CPF!! Put her down for what? Don't let Mark Nash hear about this! I'm shocked!   :o

Actually I think Mark and Marion might agree with them, depending on the bird in question.  I used to feel the same way until they explained to me how once wild birds do in captivity.  Marion told me that you can see in their eyes that somehow the life has gone out of them.  That's why they prefer to use imprinted birds for the education program, they raise them from babies and the birds don't know anything else so they thrive.   A biologist out west that I correspond with also said the same thing, she's been working with wild birds for over 20 years and said most of them don't make good educational birds because they miss being free.    

If they didn't care about S2, they wouldn't be doing all they could to save her but quality of life is just as important for a falcon as it is for a human in my humble opinion.

Wow, that so makes sense Carly. Funny, we don't really see a birds point of view here, just our own. Unfortunately, a lunatic human did this to her. I feel so bad for her after all she's been through. She came a long way since first spotted in DeMortel.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Bobbie Ireland on 17-Aug-11, 07:50:34 AM
...you can see in their eyes that somehow the life has gone out of them...

What a sad, sad thing to think about, Carly. But I understand completely.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 17-Aug-11, 08:29:47 AM
 :heart:  It's a hard pill to swallow but I understand now why they will euthanize S2 if she can't fly free again. But I'm gonna pray like hell that she recovers well enough to return to the wild where she belongs  :pray:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 17-Aug-11, 12:37:45 PM
The person who shot her needs to be in captivity


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 20-Aug-11, 05:31:10 AM
S2 Week 33

Gemert, Friday, August 19, 2011

Everything is going well with the peregrine S2. Tomorrow is the three weeks since she has had surgery on her broken wing. On more than one week there will be an X-ray to determine if the fractures are well healed. What is very important that they are also in the correct position so she can return to the wild. If not then we are carry out euthanasia, we assume, however, still believe that everything will go well and that the pins can be removed quickly so that S2 can work on her condition.
This will include the need to struggle to cope with its competitors in and around the tower but above the mortar to themselves prey to strike.



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 29-Aug-11, 11:19:00 PM
Gemert, Monday, August 29, 2011

There is no change in the situation of the Peregrine S2, it is still doing very well.
One of these days there are X-rays and everything will become clear if well together.
This is decisive for the further treatment and recovery of S2.

Once this is known we will include messages about matching images.

VWG Gemert


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 29-Aug-11, 11:41:21 PM
Gemert, Monday, August 29, 2011

There is no change in the situation of the Peregrine S2, it is still doing very well.
One of these days there are X-rays and everything will become clear if well together.
This is decisive for the further treatment and recovery of S2.

Once this is known we will include messages about matching images.

VWG Gemert

Thanks for the update!  ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 31-Aug-11, 04:05:20 PM
Update on S2 from BCAW:  :clap:

S2 heals amazingly well after her surgery.

To everybody's surprise the Peregrine Falcon female S2, the (inter)national celebrity from De Mortel that was shot last July, is most likely to be released into the wild in about four months.
Although everybody was aware of the possibility that the result of the x-rays could force the veterinarian Caroline Hommers to euthanize S2, the "Lady of the Tower" surprised us all by showing a remarkable recovery.
According to deputy-chairman Martin Vink of the Bird workgroup Gemert (VWG), the Dutch laws dictate that a wild bird-of-prey is to be put down if it can't survive on it's own in the wild.
In another 4 weeks the doctor will do a new examination and (when the results are good) remove the fixating pins from the wing of S2. Then she will need training to build up her strength and lose weight, she's become quite fat, said Martin Vink.

At the end of the video is some text that I have translated for you too:

Up to now, over €1500 has been been donated worldwide for the care and recovery of S2. For that we thank you whole heartedly!
There is still a long way to go to get her fully recovered so additional support from you would be greatly appreciated.
Wishing that S2 will be free again and live at the tower once more, thanks to your  
help as well.

Video of exam:

       http://youtu.be/1Q_V7YEX3NY (http://youtu.be/1Q_V7YEX3NY)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 31-Aug-11, 06:39:56 PM
Really good news!  Go S2!   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 31-Aug-11, 07:13:08 PM
Wow, what a turn-a-round for her. I hope she gets released with no problems. Thanks so much for the info Kris.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 31-Aug-11, 08:43:45 PM
wonderful news.  They are so tender with her and she is so good at getting this exam.  I hope she continues to improve


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 31-Aug-11, 09:50:19 PM
 ;D :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 01-Sep-11, 07:44:55 PM
Gemert, Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Last night, on Tuesday, August 30, the peregrine S2, who was operated on more than four weeks ago by the veterinarian Caroline Hommers, was examined to see how the recovery of the fracture of her right wing is progressing. The veterinarian is satisfied with the results so far. There is still a chance of complete recovery.

Although the vet has a mobile X-ray machine, and could use this for the falcon, it was decided to take the falcon to the clinic. There it would be possible to anesthetize the falcon if necessary and take X-rays this way.

But first they attempted to do it without anesthesia, and that worked wonderfully well. S2 remained very calm, even although she had been taken away from her now familiar surroundings. She handled all procedures without resistance, and when the X-rays were taken she still remained calm.

The result is visible on the photo. According to the vet, at this stage the main thing is bone growth and that is clearly visible. The ulna and the radius, which are fixed externally, appear in the correct position to grow back together. The non-fixed parts, such as the loose piece of bone from the radius, are still not completely in their original position. But that can still improve in the coming weeks. Ultimately it's about the bone pieces fusing back together correctly. Some callus formation may remain, but it will give extra strength. The crucial factor is that the original position of the wing is again attained. Now the principal parts, where visible, appear to be in the correct position, which gives a better chance of a complete recovery.

However, the future will tell whether that is the case. For now, the fixation will remain for four weeks. Then a new X-ray will be taken and, if the outlook is still positive, then the fixation will be removed.

The next stage is that it will be time for the falcon to move once again into a bigger aviary. This will clearly tell whether she can use her wings well and maintain them in the proper position. Finally, the weather conditions must be suitable before she can be released.

In short, many more steps must be gone through before that happens. For now, in any event, everything is going well.



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 01-Sep-11, 08:08:07 PM
 ;D goodnews: :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-Sep-11, 08:21:32 PM
Healing wishes for S2! Thanks Kris.  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 01-Sep-11, 10:00:17 PM
At least she's improving steadily.  Small steps for sure.   :happy:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 02-Sep-11, 01:34:52 AM
I wish speedy recovery for S2


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 02-Sep-11, 08:37:50 PM
Then for a while they rehabilitate and flutter around. Especially since S2 has become very thick ", he said.  Love this quote about S2.

She needs to exercise because she gained too much weight!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 14-Sep-11, 07:38:58 PM
Posted on BCAW-Google translation:

9.112011 11:39 p.m.
VOGELWERKGROEP GEMERT

Preliminary research peregrine falcon prosecution S2

Gemert, Monday, September 12, 2011

The investigation into the investigation and prosecution of the perpetrator responsible for the shooting of the Peregrine S2 is in full swing. According to a short feedback we recently received from the police.

The VWG Gemert has also written a letter which addressed various agencies to be informed of the bird of prey persecution in our area and the peregrine S2 in particular.

We now have a conversation with the Department ZLTO Gemert and contact with the municipality of Gemert, Forestry Commission and the Brabant landscape. The above agencies will dissociate from raptor persecution.


Below is the letter we sent to the relevant authorities.

On the Town Gemert
To Forestry Commission
At Brabant Landscape
At ZLTO, Department Gemert
At the WBE Helmond
Diana Hunter on Society

Gemert, August 2011

Dear Sir / Madam,

End of July 2011, the peregrine falcon with ring number S2, known for the Spring Experience, from the air shot in Gemert. It is yet another case of bird of prey persecution in recent years by Vogelwerkgroep Gemert was found. There are already several dead buzzards and hawks' nests are found almost every year and it shot through with hail.

Now is the most common of Peregrine Netherlands has become the victim (see also http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl)) is the last straw for us and we ask your attention to the birds of prey persecution in Gemert.

Gemert Vogelwerkgroep the inventory of the various species of raptors in its field. It is regularly observed persecution of raptors. This is reported to the local police, but finding out the culprit is very difficult. We have no more than suspicions but no proof. We can and will therefore not accuse certain groups, especially because it was probably the work of a few individuals. On the other hand, we can no longer ensure that raptors are persecuted and we ask your cooperation on this issue that affects your organization. We note that these interests are violated:

Important biodiversity
Raptors are at the top of the food pyramid and their presence is therefore a sign of sufficient nutrients and good biodiversity. In addition, selective hunting birds of prey, while first if weak so get on the prey population just stay healthy. Apparently this is not universally understood and raptors are seen by some as a competitor and therefore persecuted.

Image Gemert
Gemert is in bad light. Peregrine S2 has a lot of publicity for Gemert brought with it several million followers in the world. Unfortunately distributes the negative publicity now worldwide such as shown by donations we have received from eg USA, Canada, Finland, Belgium and Italy to contribute to the cost of the operation and recovery of S2.

Interests landowners
The bird of prey persecution takes place everywhere, even in areas owned by the municipality include, Forestry and Landscape Brabants. This is also the interests of the relevant landowners harmed.

Interests yacht owners
Now Peregrine S2 is found shot, the suspect quickly towards the hunters. Although we have never spoken or acknowledged it is often suggested and get the yacht owners in Gemert as a whole in a bad light.

Agricultural Importance
Raptors play a useful role for agriculture. Thus, a peregrine falcon hunting in areas where pigeon occurs much more effective than damage control with the rifle. At damage control are therefore more ally than competitor raptors. It is distressing that a cornfield near S2 precisely what was found at that time, pigeons were shot for pest control.

We believe that one or more of the aforementioned interests also affect your organization. We therefore ask you to address the problem of raptor persecution in Gemert to give attention it deserves and the subject to raise in your dealings with the possible offender groups. Not with a finger (since there are no proofs) but from your interest that is harmed. The topic of get the crowd which is now happening, we hope, with you, the persecution of raptors in Gemert in the future. Within our area we are conscientious raptor persecution to follow, document and will always be reported to the police. To this end, we will now actively seek publicity and bring this information into the public domain.

We would be happy to further explain this letter and invite you to confront us to contact.

A copy of this letter we send to BirdLife Netherlands, The Netherlands Peregrine Group, the KNJV and the FBE of North Brabant.

Sincerely,
The board of the Vogelwerkgroep Gemert

@VWG Gemert


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-Sep-11, 07:45:08 PM
Good for them being Gung Ho on finding the shooters and  :o !!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 14-Sep-11, 08:02:16 PM
 :heart: Go get'em!  :police:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 14-Sep-11, 09:50:04 PM
Good for them!  Shows the impact of watchers too!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 25-Sep-11, 07:18:15 PM
Update:

S2 Week 38

Gemert, September 24, 2011

At the end of next week, the peregrine S2 will once again visit the vets Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma. Once again X-rays will be taken, and these images will be used to consider whether the pins can be removed. S2 will be anesthetized again, which does entail a certain amount of extra risk. There is still a small chance that the peregrine S2 can heal from her injuries.

At the moment, she is obviously still in the care of the bird sanctuary. The peregrine falcon is now receiving less food; she needs to lose weight, and if she is hungry enough to attack the prey eagerly, this is an indication that she is not being given too much food.

Hopefully we can end next week with positive messages, including pictures and movies of S2.

Thanks for your support.

VWG Gemert


Wonder what it means by "still a small chance" that S2 will heal from her injuries?


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 25-Sep-11, 09:39:51 PM
 :confused0083: Well that doesn't sound too encouraging! We just have to wait and see!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 01-Oct-11, 02:55:41 PM
Posted on BCAW:

This morning S2 underwent surgery, performed by Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma (he is an expert on orthopedic surgery).
The fixating pins were removed from her wing and the broken bones are healing well. Most of all the fact that the bone parts are in the right positions is very encouraging and gives us hope that she will recover completely and can be released back to the wild, near Gemert (De Mortel).
Later this weekend, maybe even tonight, more information and images will be posted on this site.
Right now we will take her back to the bird-shelter where she can recover from the surgery.

                                                 :clap:

Also pics were posted showing that Pa has moved on.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 01-Oct-11, 03:14:30 PM
 goodnews:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-Oct-11, 03:19:07 PM
Posted on BCAW:

This morning S2 underwent surgery, performed by Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma (he is an expert on orthopedic surgery).
The fixating pins were removed from her wing and the broken bones are healing well. Most of all the fact that the bone parts are in the right positions is very encouraging and gives us hope that she will recover completely and can be released back to the wild, near Gemert (De Mortel).
Later this weekend, maybe even tonight, more information and images will be posted on this site.
Right now we will take her back to the bird-shelter where she can recover from the surgery.

                                                 :clap:  Good news for S2.

Also pics were posted showing that Pa has moved on.  :(  This NOT good news!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 03-Oct-11, 04:26:25 PM
Video of S2 getting her "fixation" removed:

http://youtu.be/wJRo7_wPM_I (http://youtu.be/wJRo7_wPM_I)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 03-Oct-11, 05:34:21 PM
 :wave: Thanks Kris that was very cool!  After all they've done for S2 I can't see how they could possibly put her down. You would think she could be an education bird somewhere on this planet.  :pray: :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Oct-11, 06:35:35 PM

Report: Removing the fixation from the peregrine S2

Gemert, Saturday, October 1, 2011

Exactly eight weeks after the veterinarians Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma performed surgery on the fractures in the peregrine S2's wing, she was treated again today by veterinarians. The double break in the forearm seems to be healing well, the pins were removed and the falcon may begin to use her wing gradually.

The treatment was begun by taking some X-rays. From these, it was clearly visible to the two veterinarians that the bones had grown together well, and it was decided to remove the fixation.

S2 was first anesthetized and the remains of the dressing and its connection were removed with forceps, to the extent that the falcon had not already done so herself in recent weeks. It became clear that the swelling which was present 8 weeks ago around the area of the fracture in the wing has now almost completely disappeared. Therefore space had been created on both sides between the wing and the resin with which the pins were fixed. That made it easier for Dirk to insert the forceps below the resin; the pins were cut and the fixation was removed.

Subsequently, the remains of the pins in the wing on one side were disinfected with iodine. This was done to prevent the possibility of an infection which might be caused if they were pulled through the wing. Then the pins on the other side were pulled out with forceps. Some pins were tight, a good sign that it has been properly fixed. Finally, the wounds were smeared with ointment, some X-rays were taken and within a half hour S2 was back in the transport crate before she had even completely come around from the anesthesia and realized what had happened.

According to Dirk and Caroline, the X-rays showed that the pieces of bone have fused back together correctly. In particular, the ulna, from different viewing directions, is in a beautiful line. The small "triangle" is a little higher, but will over time revert further to its original shape. The two halves of the radius have also fused back together. From one viewing direction, this is quite well in line, but when seen from another viewing direction something seems to "skip" a little.

What this now means is that we will just have to wait and see. First, the falcon needs to get used to the fact the that fixation has been removed and that for the first time she can hold her wings in a normal position. It is very important that they align, that the wing is fully symmetrical with the other wing, and that she carries the shoulders and wing tips at exactly the same height. Also, she will need a few weeks for the holes in the bone to close before she will be able to put any stress on her wing. When that time comes, she can move to a larger aviary and begin to work on her conditioning to build muscle strength and endurance and show whether she can fly again. If everything goes well, then more training will follow to bring her back to complete fitness.

In short, there are still steps to be taken. And although all of these may have a chance of a negative outcome, we remain optimistic at this time. There is a slightly greater chance that S2 can return to the wild.

Later this weekend, a video will be posted of the removal of the fixation, and photographs will be added to the album.

VWG Gemert

Hoping for a complete recovery for this courageous, beautiful peregrine. The update sounds encouraging.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Oct-11, 06:39:24 PM
Date said today! Pa and his new girl, OR2. :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 03-Oct-11, 07:17:30 PM

Report: Removing the fixation from the peregrine S2

Gemert, Saturday, October 1, 2011

Exactly eight weeks after the veterinarians Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma performed surgery on the fractures in the peregrine S2's wing, she was treated again today by veterinarians. The double break in the forearm seems to be healing well, the pins were removed and the falcon may begin to use her wing gradually.

The treatment was begun by taking some X-rays. From these, it was clearly visible to the two veterinarians that the bones had grown together well, and it was decided to remove the fixation.

S2 was first anesthetized and the remains of the dressing and its connection were removed with forceps, to the extent that the falcon had not already done so herself in recent weeks. It became clear that the swelling which was present 8 weeks ago around the area of the fracture in the wing has now almost completely disappeared. Therefore space had been created on both sides between the wing and the resin with which the pins were fixed. That made it easier for Dirk to insert the forceps below the resin; the pins were cut and the fixation was removed.

Subsequently, the remains of the pins in the wing on one side were disinfected with iodine. This was done to prevent the possibility of an infection which might be caused if they were pulled through the wing. Then the pins on the other side were pulled out with forceps. Some pins were tight, a good sign that it has been properly fixed. Finally, the wounds were smeared with ointment, some X-rays were taken and within a half hour S2 was back in the transport crate before she had even completely come around from the anesthesia and realized what had happened.

According to Dirk and Caroline, the X-rays showed that the pieces of bone have fused back together correctly. In particular, the ulna, from different viewing directions, is in a beautiful line. The small "triangle" is a little higher, but will over time revert further to its original shape. The two halves of the radius have also fused back together. From one viewing direction, this is quite well in line, but when seen from another viewing direction something seems to "skip" a little.

What this now means is that we will just have to wait and see. First, the falcon needs to get used to the fact the that fixation has been removed and that for the first time she can hold her wings in a normal position. It is very important that they align, that the wing is fully symmetrical with the other wing, and that she carries the shoulders and wing tips at exactly the same height. Also, she will need a few weeks for the holes in the bone to close before she will be able to put any stress on her wing. When that time comes, she can move to a larger aviary and begin to work on her conditioning to build muscle strength and endurance and show whether she can fly again. If everything goes well, then more training will follow to bring her back to complete fitness.

In short, there are still steps to be taken. And although all of these may have a chance of a negative outcome, we remain optimistic at this time. There is a slightly greater chance that S2 can return to the wild.

Later this weekend, a video will be posted of the removal of the fixation, and photographs will be added to the album.

VWG Gemert

Hoping for a complete recovery for this courageous, beautiful peregrine. The update sounds encouraging.

Thanks Donna and Kris for the updates and videos of S2!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 18-Oct-11, 04:35:07 PM

Demortel in now on Ustream:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/slechtvalkdemortel#id9353220 (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/slechtvalkdemortel#id9353220)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 18-Oct-11, 04:41:40 PM
A cute letter from S2 (found on BCAW):

Hi everyone,
First I want Caroline Hommers, Riemersma Dirk and asylum keeper to thank for all their care and treatment of my injuries, really great what they do for me. I think all these treatments do not always like this but my recovery is very very good. But I also want to thank you for all your support and sympathy, nice to hear that you like me become healthy again to look back on and around the tower in De Mortel.

Right now I stay at the asylum holder in a larger room, this can I have some more practice with my injured wing. This is very good and easily "fly" I perch on a five-foot height. I can now both wings against my body and keep the same height. Sometimes it a bit because my muscles are very weak, but what I keep practicing, I shake myself and what it feels all right again. I've heard whispers that they will soon see an x-ray and I want to make it into a bigger cage must practice. I understand what they want me back in late December release, but then I still get a falconry show my tricks, I'm sure!
The VWG Gemert was reticent about my recovery, stand understandable but I will just show it all right with me and that I am just going to tell Dad that I do not accept his flirtation with OR2. I hope that I a good conversation with Dad and OR2 solve. The tower in De Mortel's my place and I'm not just because I want to drive in 2012, still a few youngsters. Incidentally, I begrudge not OR2 but in a different place!

I'll be VWG Gemert ask if they have some pictures of me and / or to place a movie so you can see how well I'm doing, I'm pretty proud of myself and want to share with you.
You will hear from me!

Sincerely,

Peregrine S2

PS
The VWG Gemert has over € 1,700.00 received from you and therefore I am very happy! It is my recovery, but also benefit the peregrine falcons and raptors in general. VWG Gemert these funds can pay for my recovery but may also partly contribute to stopping the bird of prey persecution in the municipality of Gemert. The funds provided by you may also be used for operations and those of my Dad around the tower of the mortar you can continue to show.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: chlosmom on 23-Oct-11, 06:49:49 PM
Dearest S2-- you are the best--you Rock and are my inspiration--

may Dad understand the treasure he has in you--im willy to contribute
$25 per wk if dad  would dump OR2 : nothing personal OR2--you are just not S2


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 27-Oct-11, 04:06:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLJO9_KlVv0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLJO9_KlVv0#ws)

Gemert, October 24 2011

Peregrine falcon S2 has stayed for around a week in a larger area and she finds it fine there. She is still having problems with her wound but she has had after all for 2 weeks very little activity. Stiff muscles, joints and the former break make for complaints, but activity helps with her healing and the complaints hopefully will diminish.

Begin next week she will have another XRay and the vets will determine if she can go to a larger area.

While visiting last Friday we made a short video of S2 and she let us see that she is working on her healing. Because she needs rest for this healing process we didn't want to disturb her too much so the film is short but you can see how it's going with her.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 27-Oct-11, 05:00:37 PM
She looks like she's doing well. Definitely a bigger cage is needed. She has prey right next door!!  :o Thanks Kris, maybe she will be set free in the Spring!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 31-Oct-11, 04:19:48 PM


Update on S2 posted on VWG Gemert (Google translation):


Calendar November 1 till November 5, 2011
 
 Gemert, Sunday, October 30, 2011
 
 Tuesday, November 1, I again went to the vet for an x-ray of my injured wing. I'm in a bigger and can stay there with limitations practicing my wings, this is good but often I hang up on the mesh of my stay and this damage my tail feathers. Because I've already replaced my tail feathers for pens, the new VWG Gemert are worried about. I use my tail to steer during my flights so this should be in optimum condition. VWG Gemert wants me so as soon as possible in a larger residence. I should probably Friday, November 4 in a larger aviary around so I can enjoy my tail feathers flutter and not damaged.
 
 I will keep you informed of my progress and you can probably Saturday, November 5 back some footage of me.
 
 greet S2


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 31-Oct-11, 04:23:34 PM
 :goodnews:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 03-Nov-11, 07:56:55 PM
My translation of today's updates:

Dated November 2:

The peregrine S2 will arrive at Someren on Friday

SOMEREN - On Friday the Someren Bird Rehabilitation Foundation will receive with open arms the peregrine S2 from De Mortel, who had been shot.

In a so-called 'outdoor flight' the bird will be able to recover from her surgery. The peregrine falcon, who is followed by many bird lovers by means of a webcam at the De Mortel tower, was shot in July.

The veterinarian Caroline Hommers stabilized the wing with external pins, and the bird has recovered sufficiently to be moved into a larger space for rehabilitation.

Volunteers at the Someren Bird Rehabilitation Foundation - at its new home on the Somerense Fens site - must go to work quickly on the new space. The Foundation is still in the middle of the move.

The facility could not continue at its old location on the Avenue Boerkamp.

Birds were until recently referred to the bird shelter in Zundert.

Source: Eindhoven Newspaper


With today's date:

The progress of peregrine S2

Landhorst, Thursday, November 3, 2011

On Thursday, November 3rd, we went with the peregrine S2 to visit the veterinarian Caroline Hommers.

X-rays were taken, and the wing was checked. The pictures clearly show that the fractures are healing well, new bone is forming around the fractures and everything looks hopeful.

In consultation with the veterinarian we decided that the peregrine would not immediately be moved into an outside flight, but would be placed first of all in a smaller flight. This space is much larger than the one in which she now resides. After about 2 or 3 weeks X-rays will once again be taken, and then she will move into the larger outside flight. Given the good progress that S2 is making, we must now ensure that we do not go too fast and ask too much of her.

At the moment, she can fly several times in succession to a height of two meters; in the new flight from tomorrow on she will be able to exercise more and more and work on her recovery.

On Saturday, November 5 we will make a video of her and post some pictures of her move and the new residence.

VWG Gemert



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 03-Nov-11, 08:32:01 PM
Excellent news!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Nov-11, 09:34:02 PM
Excellent news!

Exciting for S2 and US!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 03-Nov-11, 11:02:16 PM
 :thumbsup: ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 04-Nov-11, 02:04:13 AM
That is very good!  :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 05-Nov-11, 06:02:37 PM
New updates on S2; I am very glad that she is doing so well.

The peregrine S2 is moved

SOMEREN - With pain in his heart, caregiver Wim van Lith released the peregrine S2, who is from the nest at the De Mortel tower, to her new temporary home.

At the Someren Bird Rehabilitation Foundation, she will continue her recuperation from surgery.


And a little later:

LIEROP - The famous peregrine S2 from the tower at De Mortel was moved on Friday to the Someren Bird Rehabilitation Foundation. In July 2011, the peregrine was shot and her wing was seriously injured.

Surgery was performed on the wing in August. Thanks to the efforts of veterinarians and shelters, S2 has almost recovered and can now continue her rehabilitation in an outdoor enclosure at the Someren Bird Rehabilitation Foundation at Fens in Lierop.

Three weeks in a small flight

Because she must not place too much stress on her wings, she will remain in a small aviary for the next three weeks. One of the veterinarians who performed surgery on S2 will then examine her and take X-rays. Probably, the raptor will then be able to move into a larger flight.

The peregrine has hundreds of thousands of fans

The peregrine falcon has hundreds of thousands of fans around the world. This is due to the webcam which has been located for years at her nest box in De Mortel. Because of the number on her leg band, the Internet audience calls her S2.

Video:

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?video/71833602/Slechtvalk+S2+revalideert+bij+Vogelasiel+Someren.aspx&action=media (http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?video/71833602/Slechtvalk+S2+revalideert+bij+Vogelasiel+Someren.aspx&action=media)

Radio clip:

http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?audio/125155792/slechtvalk+verhuisd.aspx (http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?audio/125155792/slechtvalk+verhuisd.aspx)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Nov-11, 07:20:57 PM
 :2thumbsup: Good for you S2! We're all rooting for you!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Nov-11, 07:29:13 PM
Great news, great video...thanks Alison!  :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 06-Nov-11, 06:20:04 PM
Another new update on S2 today:

The peregrine S2 at Someren

Gemert, Saturday, November 5, 2011


It was planned that on Tuesday November 1, S2 would go to the vet to have X-rays taken. This agreement, however, did not work out and it was changed to Thursday, November 3. That evening, the veterinarian Caroline Hommers took two new X-rays of her wing. Caroline was very impressed with the recovery, and said that the fractures and the holes left by the pins which had been removed were growing together very well. There is new bone forming, and everything looks good. The loose fragment has continued to fuse together, which further increases its strength. S2 appears to feel well, and she has practiced a lot in recent weeks. With seeming ease, she is able to fly straight to a perch at a height of 2 meters. She then relaxes her wing, and occasionally even lets it droop, but she has also been unable to use it for more than two months. We hope that over the next few weeks she will have fewer problems. Caroline gave the green light the following day for S2 to be moved into a larger flight at Someren to work on her recovery. VWG Gemert and Caroline Hommers have decided after consultation that she must first stay in a slightly smaller enclosure, and then will move into the large flight. As in human physiotherapy, the bones and muscles must gradually continue to be strengthened.

Friday, November 4th was the big day, and S2 went to Nistelrode at Someren! At 13:00 hours, shelter keeper and caregiver Wim van Lith placed S2 in the transport box in the presence of Luc Enting, who made a documentary film of S2. When we arrived at Someren, we were surprised by a large crowd of interested parties, including camera crews, photographers, journalists and representatives of local authorities. In the video broadcast from Brabant, you can see that S2 has been placed in a fairly large enclosure. In about three weeks, Caroline will once again visit S2 and will take X-rays to determine whether she can move into the large flight. Here she will be able to practice for a few weeks and see if she can manage longer flights. If everything goes well, then she may go to a falconer to prepare her for her return to the wild.

Next week we will make a video and take some pictures of her in the new enclosure. For now, here is the video of her move to Nistelrode at Someren.

VWG Gemert wishes to assist the veterinarians and caregivers to meet the costs which have been incurred, and to this end will soon make ​​donations which will be divided among them. If you would like to continue to suppoer their work and our work, donations are always welcome; you may also donate directly to the Landhorst veterinary clinic and/or to the bird shelter at Someren.

VWG Gemert


http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/60-mijn-belevenissen-van-3-en-4-november.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/60-mijn-belevenissen-van-3-en-4-november.html)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 06-Nov-11, 06:45:49 PM
Another step closer......   :clap:

Thanks for sharing this good news Alison.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Nov-11, 06:54:54 PM
Another step closer......   :clap:

Thanks for sharing this good news Alison.

She just keeps getting better and better. Wonderful care they give her.  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 06-Nov-11, 10:28:37 PM
  :heart:  She just has a few more bumps in the road left. S2 will get there, I just know it! Their lives really aren't that much of a stretch from ours. We all have struggles that we have to overcome. Oh yeah, she'll get there and get her freedom to boot!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 16-Nov-11, 05:56:27 PM
A new update on S2, and it is another great one:

An update on the peregrine S2

Lierop, Tuesday, November 15, 2011


Everything is going well with the peregrine S2 at the bird rehabilitation facility at Lierop (Someren).

Today we visited the peregrine, and saw that her recovery is going well. She is using both wings well, although she cannot make very long flights because the enclosure is not large enough. This intermediate step was taken so that she may recover from her fractures in small stages.

In view of her progress, she may perhaps be able to move into the large aviary slightly sooner. We will first consult with the veterinarian Caroline Hommers about this.

The peregrine falcon will now be given a prey every two days; by the end of her stay at the Lierop facility, this will be every two or three days.

We hope that at the end of December she will go to the falconer, and will really be able to start working on her return to the wild.

This new bird rehabilitation facility has been entirely made possible by volunteers, with support from sponsors. It is located at the edge of a campsite, in a heavily wooded and peaceful environment. The accommodations are very good and shielded from the environment in order to minimize any disturbance to the birds, so that they can heal in peace.

The facility cares for birds from all over Southeast Brabant who have become sick or injured in some way. Thus, not only are numerous owls and birds of prey, swans and herons brought in, but also smaller types of birds such as pigeons, blackbirds, crows, waterfowl, etc.

Following their recovery, the birds are released at the place where they were found.

The commitment of the volunteers to run the new rehabilitation facility is very important, but donations to it are very welcome to fund this conservation work.

In the video below, it can be seen that both wing tips are being held at the same height above the tail. After she takes off, you can still see that her "elbow" sticks out a little, but after a few seconds, this is once again aligned with her body.




http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/64-update-slechtvalk-s2.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/64-update-slechtvalk-s2.html)



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 16-Nov-11, 06:13:56 PM
 :wave: Thanks Alison! She is a real beauty!!!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Nov-11, 06:28:40 PM
Great news and what a great pic and video. She looks well. Thank you!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 28-Nov-11, 06:50:01 PM
S2 has now been moved into the large flight, and she is making wonderful progress.

de Mortel

Things are progressing by leaps and bounds!

Lierop, Sunday, November 27, 2011


On Saturday, November 26, the veterinarian Caroline Hommers visited the peregrine S2.

The peregrine falcon currently resides at the bird refuge at Lierop (municipality of Someren), where she continues to recover from the injuries she sustained on July 27 in the municipality of Gemert.

Caroline took some X-rays, and found that the bones are growing together very well. Once again new bone is growing around the area of the fractures. As the veterinarian Dirk Riemersma indicated previously, bone resorption will take place where the new bone is not needed, and bone will be created in those places where it is necessary. The protruding bone fragment should therefore "disappear" so probably minor surgery will not be required to remove it.

After the X-rays were taken, the peregrine was placed in the large aviary by caregiver Jarno van Bussel. Here she may make longer flights and strengthen her muscles so that she may develop more power in her wing and chest muscles and increase her fitness and endurance.

The peregrine's weight is very good; she is provided with her natural prey, which is very nutritious for her.

It takes little energy to acquire the prey which is provided, so there is a risk of becoming overweight. We have now decided to provide fewer prey, which we expect, in combination with her increased freedom of movement, will result in a better weight. This will be important later in order for the falconer to provide optimal training for her return to the wild. Caroline was so well pleased with her ​​recovery that the peregrine falcon may be allowed to go to the falconer earlier.

If her recovery continues to progress well, then perhaps she may regain her freedom before the next breeding season.

If this happens, then it is expected that she will fly directly to her familiar surroundings at the tower at De Mortel. Here, she will not only become reacquainted with her mate, but will also meet his new partner. It is common, and a natural process, for territorial conflicts to take place around the nest sites of peregrine falcons and other raptors. Moreover, these conflicts are found among all birds; who knows the the battles which take place among the blackbirds in the backyard, or those of the coots in the pond in the park. Territorial battles take place over food and to secure a nesting area, and to disseminate their own genes in order to produce future generations and to preserve the species. It does not matter whether the nest sites are natural or artificial; territorial battles can take place anywhere and everywhere. Because of the many webcams which are located at various bird and animal sites, we are now "live" witnesses. We are now aware that up close, nature can be cruel and harsh, but it is also self-regulating and self-sustaining. The strongest will survive, and in order to produce healthy and strong offspring, the laws of nature also apply around the tower at de Mortel.

It is not our place to make these choices; the peregrine S2 was deprived of this right by the actions of humans and she therefore deserves to return to the wild so that natural selection may take place.

Photographs and a video will be posted later.

VWG Gemert


The large flight:

   


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 28-Nov-11, 07:18:36 PM
 goodnews: WOOHOO for S2!!! I hope she gets released for the next breeding season and wins back her mate and territory with no injuries!  :heart:   Thanks Alison!!!  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 28-Nov-11, 07:43:35 PM
What great news. It just gets better with her! Thanks for the update!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 28-Nov-11, 08:23:58 PM
goodnews: WOOHOO for S2!!! I hope she gets released for the next breeding season and wins back her mate and territory with no injuries!  :heart:   Thanks Alison!!!  :wave:

                          :ditto:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 28-Nov-11, 09:35:19 PM
Thanks for sharing this good news Alison!   :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 28-Nov-11, 10:09:09 PM
Great news!  I hope she will be freed -- and can be with Pa or another male!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 08-Dec-11, 02:59:02 PM
New update on S2 found on BCAW:

Contrary to earlier reports, the peregrine S2 in the short term are released into the wild. The planning that S2 is not before but only after the breeding season will be released.
The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has taken this decision after consulting with some experts.

Until recently, all aimed at S2 as soon as possible to release from the thought, the sooner the better. We also wanted to make every effort to S2 well before the breeding season to let go to avoid a repetition of 2007. Now Caroline vet Hommen had indicated that the final phase of rehabilitation - the conditioning the falcon by a falconer - almost could begin, we hope that this could still happen.
The consultation with the falconer became clear that the pay (sea and gain confidence) and for training in the corner, with even three months into account. That means that if this would now be started, S2 could be released late February. Although this is just before the breeding season but also in the middle of the mating period. In this time of year when the hormone is at its highest, and peregrine falcons are territorial battles its worst. And that has not exactly been proven itself S2 in 2007. It is estimating that the falconer, how well S2 also will be rehabilitated, they are no match will be against its competitor, and possibly even the same day (literally) will have to come off worst.
His advice is therefore to S2 after the breeding season to let go. In July / August is much less intense territorial behavior and peregrine falcons are much better tolerated in each area. Also there will be fights occur at any time but the chance of losing the falcon without physical damage may leave the battlefield is much bigger.

Peter Geneijgen of the Peregrine Group Netherlands endorses this view and BirdLife Netherlands agrees with this approach.

The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has decided not to S2 in February, in the heat of battle, but the lions throwing her a better chance to be awarded by the Authority after the breeding season of conscience. This gives us the chance to end its even better physically prepared. S2 and its followers will therefore have to be patient.


This is probably going to give her the best chance of survival but will most likely end her chance to reunite with Pa.   :'(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Dec-11, 03:07:44 PM
Wow, I'm happy and sad over this. A very hard decision was made. Probably for the better and yes, I don't think Pa will take her back after this coming breeding season.

Thanks Kris.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 08-Dec-11, 03:42:30 PM
 :( Bummer!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 08-Dec-11, 04:00:22 PM
Tough decision to make but after all the territorial fights we've seen during mating/breeding season, I think it's the right one. 

And you never know what can happen.  This site is pretty hot property, look how many females came through the past two years that S2 chased out.  The new female may not even be able to hold the territory, only time will tell.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 08-Dec-11, 06:26:03 PM
At least she wasn't euthanized. This is bittersweet.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 08-Dec-11, 07:27:20 PM
My translation of the latest update on S2:

S2 will not be released in the near future

Gemert, Thursday, December 8, 2011


Contrary to earlier reports, the peregrine S2 will not be released soon into the wild. The plan now is that S2 will not be released before, but after, the breeding season.

The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has made this decision after consultation with some experts.

Until recently, everything was designed to release S2 as soon as possible, based on the idea, the sooner the better. We also wanted to make every effort to release S2 well before the breeding season in order to avoid a repetition of what happened in 2007. Now the veterinarian Caroline Hommers has indicated that the final phase of rehabilitation - the conditioning of the falcon by a falconer - could almost begin; we hope that this could still take place.

From the consultation with the falconer, it became clear that for the training (in order to create and gain confidence), another three months should be taken into account. That means that if this were to begin now, S2 could be released at the end of February. This is not only just before the breeding season, but also in the middle of the mating period. During this time of year, hormone levels for peregrines are at their highest, and territorial battles are at their most intense. And that has been demonstrated by S2 herself in 2007. It is estimated by the falconer that no matter how well S2 may have been rehabilitated, she will be no match for her opponent, and possibly even on the same day she (literally) will get the worst of it.

His advice is therefore to release S2 after the breeding season. In July and August territorial behavior is much less intense, and peregrine falcons tolerate each other much better. Also, territorial battles may take place at any time, but the likelihood that the falcon who loses may be able to leave the battlefield without physical injury is much greater.

Peter Geneijgen of the Netherlands Peregrine Group supports this view, and BirdLife Netherlands concurs with this approach.

The Vogelwerkgroep Gemert has therefore decided not to release S2 in February, in the heat of battle, to more or less throw her to the lions, but to give her a better chance by releasing her after the breeding season. This gives us the opportunity to ensure that she is even better prepared physically. S2 and all her followers will therefore have to be patient.

With the many donations from the Netherlands and around the world which have been made to VWG Gemert's bank, we will be able to provide compensation to the veterinarians and caretakers of the peregrine S2.

Donations

We would like to thank all donors from the Netherlands and abroad for their contribution to the care, treatment and recovery of the peregrine S2.

Special thanks to:

Slechtvalken Forum Nederland in cooperation with the BCAW forum for their global fundraising.

Donations are always welcome for the care, treatment and recovery of the peregrine S2 and for the protection of peregrine falcons in general.

Donations may be transferred to:

From abroad:

Bic: RABONL2U
Iban: NL61RABO0155098950

From the Netherlands:

Rabobank 1550.98.950 Tnv Vogelwerkgroep Gemert, Trade, Specifying: Peregrine S2


There is a video at the link below:

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/67-s2-niet-op-korte-termijn-vrij.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws/67-s2-niet-op-korte-termijn-vrij.html)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 08-Dec-11, 08:14:11 PM
 :wave: Thanks Alison!  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Jan-12, 10:23:25 PM
Posted on BCAW on the 15th

A note about S2, from 'Slechtvalkenliefde' Forum.
Person's name removed for privacy.

Dear Madam,

Falconry is an ancient method of hunting with birds of prey.
Man is by nature a hunter. At first they did, with bow and arrow or other primitive methods, but later they made use of other tools, such as rifles, but also including birds of prey.
Especially the peregrine, which are very suitable. It's a very cold blooded, but above all, confident bird.
The peregrine is also very easy to tame, but at the same time, the peregrine is also very quickly become feral.
The tame is reached, by offering food on hand for the peregrine.
This gives the peregrine quickly confidence in man, and is thus ideally suited as a hunting tool.
A trained and tamed peregrine may very well survive independently in nature because it is in very good condition and the hunting instinct (survival instinct) remains.
It is therefore very important that this peregrine S2, due to a falconer, made tame, so she can build a good condition in order to survive in the wild. The tame is a very gradual process and the welfare of the bird comes first. A stressed bird has no interest.
Currently she is healthy, but it lacks a good condition and we therefore can not skip this step to give her a good chance.

The peregrine S2 will not fly on a leash but she will be chasing a lure, if tame.
She is actually fooled, by the lure, an artificial prey, she can hunt, which at the last moment is pulled away through the line. She then wil again get height to start a new attack.
After a few times, she may "strike the prey", after which she will be rewarded with fresh food.
[A lure is a mechanism used in falconry. It has a pair of bird wings attached to an object which is swung round and round in a cord, for the falcon to chase.]

Thus building up a good condition, so that later she will successfully survive.
We can also then determine whether her fractions recovered well, so she can strike prey independently.
Given the age-old proven method, and experience of the falconers, we are confident that peregrine S2, safe and sound can be released.

Sincerely,

Martin Vink
VWG Gemert


Sorry for any spelling and grammatical mistakes, but I did my best.
I'm not as familiar with the English (and Dutch) terms from falconry.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 22-Jan-12, 05:57:50 PM
My translation of the most recent update on S2: she has been moved once again. I understand the reasons behind this, but I think it is very stressful for her to have been moved so many times.

S2 is temporarily at an annex of the Someren bird refuge

Gemert, Monday, January 16, 2012


After the end of 2011, Vogelwerkgroep Gemert had decided to release S2 back to the wild after the 2012 breeding season. The question then arose of how and where she could best be housed until that time. S2 will not be placed with a falconer for fitness training until May/June of 2012, so there is a need to find a good home for her until then.

S2 has been in the large flight at the new Someren Bird Refuge. But that flight is intended for birds undergoing rehabilitation who are close to being released, and could not be occupied for such a long time by S2. S2 was also having occasional problems, damaging her tail feathers by flying into the net in the aviary. After careful consultation between the Someren Bird Refuge and the Vogelwerkgroep Gemert, a search began for alternative accommodation. This was found very quickly, and soon thereafter S2 was transferred to this temporary annex of the bird refuge.

She is behaving very quietly in her new home, in which she cannot do any harm to herself. The wing on which surgery was performed is in the correct position against her body and apparently she is having no problems recovering from the fractures. We are still hopeful that S2 can look forward to being free once again after the breeding season.

During the coming week we will publish new pictures of the peregrine S2 on this site.

VWG Gemert



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 22-Jan-12, 06:27:21 PM
Poor S2-she's been through way too much because of some jerk.  :( Thanks for the update, Alison.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 22-Jan-12, 06:55:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Cb7ugd3hk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1Cb7ugd3hk#) Ahhh, poor girl. She looks great though.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 22-Jan-12, 07:03:18 PM
She looks great in that video!  Thanks, Donna!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 22-Jan-12, 07:23:38 PM
Nice!  :thanks2:  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 23-Jan-12, 08:27:09 PM
Here is the new update which goes with the video:

The new residence of the peregrine S2

Gemert, Sunday, January 22, 2012


Things are going well with the peregrine S2.

At the moment she resides at an annex of the Someren bird refuge, which is a quiet place in the countryside.

The interior of the accommodation is constructed with bars made of bamboo canes which cannot do her any harm, and the outside of the aviary is screened by vegetation to prevent any disturbance from taking place. Feeding takes place through a small hatch through which the peregrine S2 cannot see any humans, so that she may have peace and quiet to continue her recovery. As shown in the video, she is free of stress and she is supplied with good prey. There is no longer any sign of her injured wing being held in an abnormal position. We therefore feel that she has made a good recovery, but whether this is the case will ultimately be determined when she really takes flight once again.

The expectation is that in June she will go to the falconer, and that in August she will regain her freedom.

In the Netherlands, most raptors may be kept if it can be demonstrated that they have been obtained through captive breeding and that they have a permanent, closed leg ring which has been put in place when they are only a few days old. Using a DNA profile, the origins of a bird can now be easily checked. This prevents birds which have been captured in the wild from being used for hunting or for falconry shows.

Raptors may be kept by falconers who hunt with them, but also by individuals who keep birds of prey for commercial purposes (falconry shows, fairs, etc.) and by private individuals. VWG Gemert distances itself from commercial activities, raptor shows and individuals who keep birds of prey for “fun”.

True falconers, who preserve and maintain an ancient cultural heritage, however, play an important role in protecting birds of prey in general and in their rehabilitation if they are found injured in the wild. They have the necessary expertise for this purpose.

As things stand now, it seems that the peregrine S2, through the utmost care of veterinarians, rehabilitation center staff, and your financial support, will regain her health and freedom.

VWG Gemert



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 23-Jan-12, 09:17:51 PM
This is such wonderful news for S2 chances of gaining her freedom.  Thanks for posting Alison.   :clap:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 23-Jan-12, 10:00:52 PM
Wonderful news!  Thanks!  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-May-12, 01:50:56 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 24-May-12, 02:09:35 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-May-12, 02:22:34 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(

 NO, I mean S2 not OR2. S2 is still in rehab right?


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 24-May-12, 02:47:09 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(

 NO, I mean S2 not OR2. S2 is still in rehab right?

Whoops, too many 2 's-these birds need names!  Lol. I think I read she's with a Falconer and will be released in the fall.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-May-12, 04:32:13 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(

 NO, I mean S2 not OR2. S2 is still in rehab right?

Whoops, too many 2 's-these birds need names!  Lol. I think I read she's with a Falconer and will be released in the fall.

Thanks kris, can't find her thread on BCAW!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 24-May-12, 04:34:50 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(

 NO, I mean S2 not OR2. S2 is still in rehab right?

Whoops, too many 2 's-these birds need names!  Lol. I think I read she's with a Falconer and will be released in the fall.

Thanks kris, can't find her thread on BCAW!

You have to go to Board Index and look for DeMortel:Pa and OR2-info about S2 should be there.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-May-12, 04:38:18 PM
Any news on S2? Can't even find info on BCAW!!

I look from time to time but I don't think there has been any sightings since the video showing her looking at the eggs when New Girl came into the box and S2 flew off. Pa still seems attached to the eggs and does incubate them at times so that's why people there haven't removed them. Sad.  :(

 NO, I mean S2 not OR2. S2 is still in rehab right?

Whoops, too many 2 's-these birds need names!  Lol. I think I read she's with a Falconer and will be released in the fall.

Thanks kris, can't find her thread on BCAW!

You have to go to Board Index and look for DeMortel:Pa and OR2-info about S2 should be there.

OH saw that but thought S2 had her own thread. No news in a while then. THX!!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 03-Jun-12, 09:13:29 AM
Update on S2(Google translation): Found on BCAW

S2 is doing well, she is molting and several hand- wing- and tail feathers have already been replaced.

This month (June) she will be trained to be around and trust people. In July she will be transferred to a certified falconer who will train her so she can catch her own prey again and her flying abilities are optimized.
After that, she will be put in isolation again for a short while to undo her tolerance to people. Late August, early September she will be released at or near the spot where she was found. (It's very close to the tower)
She is expected to fly straight back to the tower. In this period of the year the territorial falcons (now Pa and the new female) are not as aggressive as in spring and fights probably won't be potential deadly.

(That is the reason she wasn't released back in February, to prevent just such a battle. As we know 2OR still had to fight a lot to keep her nest and ultimately lost it to this new, unbanded female unfortunately.)

In the next few days a new video will be posted on the website of VWG http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws.html (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/nieuws.html)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Jun-12, 09:22:48 AM
Thanks so much for this news Kris, I was hoping for an update on her. Bless her and hope she finds her way to Pa again to regain her nest. (Stay away from bad people with guns)!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 03-Jun-12, 09:48:04 AM
Thanks so much for this news Kris, I was hoping for an update on her. Bless her and hope she finds her way to Pa again to regain her nest. (Stay away from bad people with guns)!

 :ditto:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 10-Jul-12, 12:50:19 PM
Update on S2 (Google translation)


S2 in the final phase of its rehabilitation process

Gemert, Sunday, July 8, 2012

In recent months, S2 in peace can still recover and moult her feathers which in part is again renewed. We are still waiting to moult all over and then she goes to the falconer for the last phase of her rehabilitation process. This will back the falcon 'in condition' be charged. For birds of prey to catch their prey is essential. For seed eaters or scavengers such as a hawk is in rehabilitation in this final stage usually suffice greater uitwenvolière which they called for their kind sufficient condition can build up again independent of food to arrive. But species such as goshawk, sparrowhawk and peregrine for their rehabilitation forced longer time spent in captivity is an aviary, how large, therefore, insufficient to be able to come back condition. They must be in top condition for their prey to get. It just releasing these birds almost certainly lead to starvation and is therefore irresponsible.

The only method to such birds are in condition to bring falconry method is called. Falconers hunt because such birds in top condition for this to be a prey to arrive. The techniques they use for that are centuries old.

The first step is to tame a bird or 'sea' it. The falconer must gain the confidence of the falcon. Although today their falconers birds they were breeding earlier by falconers from the wild-caught seafood and had therefore to be made. In a period of several weeks 'carries' the bird or the falconer very intensive which the bird is fed by the falconer. After some time, overcomes the bird's natural aversion, and then realizes that for which the food is dependent on the falconer. That is the moment to the falcon acquainted with the lure, an artificial prey to a line can be rotated and a piece of bait that can be confirmed. Every time the hawk lurking these 'stores' is rewarded with bait. Initially done inside and the falcon itself still leashed, but once there is sufficient confidence with the falconer and getting used to wait outside the falcon is built may be left loose. From that moment the falcon daily lurking fly. And since then they end up getting rewarded they will be more motivated to that address. From that moment the condition of the bird leaps forward. Then comes the skill of the falconer in handy. That must wait a falcon ever faster growing faster. The trick is to wait for the falcon as flat as possible by turning it up so motivated to maximize effort. A peregrine once on condition that goes with enormous speed and requires very good timing of the falconer.

As soon as the falcon in this way is placed on the condition, it will again be able to independently to capture prey, and the falcon can be released. Once the hawk has caught its first prey and devours it will no longer have the incentive to the falconer to come or wait to save her because she has food inside. That was the great fear of the former falconers with wild-caught falcons hunted. Once beyond their sight a prey would hit and went to eat is indeed no longer dependent on the falconer and will not be to him or to wait. The falconer must then hope that the next day there was again that stimulus and then try to get the bird back. Saves the falcon but for a second time out of his sight a prey very quickly, the likelihood is smaller that the falconer's bird ever again can capture. The bird quickly realizes that he can catch prey on her own and no longer dependent on the falconer. The bird is then in a few days time completely bewildered.

S2 will undergo training in the coming time above. An additional exciting moment for me is when they first go outside will be flown to the lure. At that time we will really know if her wing has been restored so that they can fly again good or unexpected that those irreparably damaged.

We will keep you informed.

VWG Gemert


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 10-Jul-12, 01:44:29 PM
Well this is all good news! I hope she mends, hunts and can be released and goes back to her Pa with no incidents. I wish her the best. Poor S2, she's been through the mill and back. Thanks Kris, was hoping to hear something soon on her.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 10-Jul-12, 06:50:34 PM
 goodnews: :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 03-Aug-12, 10:39:56 PM
New update on S2 (translated by Alison-posted on BCAW)-


The peregrine S2

Gemert, Friday, August 3, 2012

It is getting close, in the coming weeks we will be preparing S2 for her return to the wild!

She has not yet completely finished her molt, but she is ready. Soon she will have her "anklets" fitted, leather straps around her legs.

Jesses will be passed through the anklets so that the falconer can tame the falcon. He will do this by teaching her to take prey while on the glove. If she does reasonably well, she will go to another falconer who will continue her training in order to bring her into good condition so that she can capture prey on her own. She is expected to be ready for release at the end of September or early in October. We will contact you over the next while through this website to keep you informed of her progress.

VWG Gemert




Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 25-Aug-12, 01:07:50 PM
Update on S2 (translated by Dutch Eagle Fan on BCAW):

A few weeks later than planned, due to the extremely hot weather and the fact that S2 still was moulting, she was taken to the falconer yesterday.
Her colour and tracking station bands were removed but will be placed back when she is released. She seemed quite calm during the whole procedure.
Her moult is almost complete, just two hand- and two tail-feathers are not yet fully grown in, which is quite remarkable for a bird in captivity. She looks very healthy and strong.
Now she has to get used to the falconer, accept him as her source of food. Then the training can begin to build up her strength and make sure that she can use her injured wing without any problems.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLm3WlPDlBg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLm3WlPDlBg#)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 25-Aug-12, 01:38:50 PM
Update on S2 (translated by Dutch Eagle Fan on BCAW):

A few weeks later than planned, due to the extremely hot weather and the fact that S2 still was moulting, she was taken to the falconer yesterday.
Her colour and tracking station bands were removed but will be placed back when she is released. She seemed quite calm during the whole procedure.
Her moult is almost complete, just two hand- and two tail-feathers are not yet fully grown in, which is quite remarkable for a bird in captivity. She looks very healthy and strong.
Now she has to get used to the falconer, accept him as her source of food. Then the training can begin to build up her strength and make sure that she can use her injured wing without any problems.


Great,thanks Kris! :wave:


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLm3WlPDlBg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLm3WlPDlBg#)



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 25-Aug-12, 02:56:08 PM
She looks great, thanks Kris. I wish her luck with the falconer.  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 25-Aug-12, 03:01:24 PM
She looks great, thanks Kris. I wish her luck with the falconer.  :heart:

I do too! Dutch Eagle Fan said that they hope to be at DeMortel for S2's release so the report from that should be interesting.  Hope all works out.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 25-Aug-12, 03:15:17 PM
She looks great, thanks Kris. I wish her luck with the falconer.  :heart:

I do too! Dutch Eagle Fan said that they hope to be at DeMortel for S2's release so the report from that should be interesting.  Hope all works out.

I sure as heck pray they plan to release her far from there, she will head home if she remembers it but at least coming in from afar would give her time to see there is another female there and size up her options. 

My hope is that she doesn't remember it and goes on to find a new home.  I know that's not popular opinion but the new female here is pretty tough and younger than she is and I'd hate to see her hurt again after all she's been through.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 25-Aug-12, 03:22:09 PM
She looks great, thanks Kris. I wish her luck with the falconer.  :heart:

I do too! Dutch Eagle Fan said that they hope to be at DeMortel for S2's release so the report from that should be interesting.  Hope all works out.

I sure as heck pray they plan to release her far from there, she will head home if she remembers it but at least coming in from afar would give her time to see there is another female there and size up her options. 

My hope is that she doesn't remember it and goes on to find a new home.  I know that's not popular opinion but the new female here is pretty tough and younger than she is and I'd hate to see her hurt again after all she's been through.

I do too but I've read somewhere that, because DeMortel was her home, they plan on releasing her close to there. I know Pa has bonded with a new female and with all the time and money spent to fix, heal and rehab S2, it sounds crazy to me to release her there and risk getting her severely injured or killed.  She might or might not remember DeMortel but at least give her a better chance for survival.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Bird Crazy on 25-Aug-12, 04:39:31 PM
don't borrow trouble. Look how much we worried about Beauty and it worked out. (poor Unity) If S2 is meant to be there she will be if not well... I don't think she will have forgotten home. All we can do is hope for the best.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 01-Sep-12, 11:40:25 AM
De Mortel

A short, but good, update on S2 today:

Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:14 p.m.

Visit to the veterinarian for X-rays

Gemert, Wednesday, August 28, 2012

On Wednesday, the peregrine S2 visited the veterinarian Caroline Hommers for an X-ray of her wing.
This shows that the bone is properly fused; according to the vet, the bone is now probably stronger than ever.

VWG Gemert

                  :2thumbsup:



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-Sep-12, 05:50:33 PM
De Mortel

A short, but good, update on S2 today:

Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:14 p.m.

Visit to the veterinarian for X-rays

Gemert, Wednesday, August 28, 2012

On Wednesday, the peregrine S2 visited the veterinarian Caroline Hommers for an X-ray of her wing.
This shows that the bone is properly fused; according to the vet, the bone is now probably stronger than ever.

VWG Gemert

                  :2thumbsup:




Great news, thanks Kris!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 01-Sep-12, 05:56:38 PM
 goodnews:   :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 19-Sep-12, 05:27:56 PM
Just finished translating the latest update on S2.

Not surprisingly, she is a fast learner!

Peregrine S2 with the falconer

Gemert, Wednesday, September 19, 2012


The peregrine falcon is being tamed, or in a sense "worn down", as in falconry terms. The bird will become accustomed to her unfamiliar surroundings, and her natural fear of the falconer will be overcome. This is necessary in order for her to become ready to be released to fly.

As can be seen in the video, this is already going well. S2 sits quietly on the block and remains calm. Also, she is already eating prey on the glove. For several days after she was removed from the rehabilitation center, and was equipped with anklets and jesses, she showed this behavior.

S2 is demonstrating that she is a fast learner. She has now been transferred to the falconer, who will allow her to fly. He is currently working to allow S2 to get used to the lure. The lure is an artificial prey on a rope to which bait is attached. S2 must now learn that she needs to grab the lure to obtain food. Once she sees the lure as prey and has no doubt about taking it, the falconer will be able to creance her. The falcon flies loose and always tries to reach the lure faster. This is expected to begin within a few weeks, and will bring her into condition again.

In the meantime, there are also live images to be seen on our ustream channel.

We are still working on testing this, but it is a start and we hope that it works well so that you will be able to follow live the return of the peregrine S2 to the wild.


http://www.ustream.tv/channel/vwggemert#id11537244 (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/vwggemert#id11537244)

Sincerely,

VWG Gemert


The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rQP_4JVNIU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rQP_4JVNIU#ws)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 19-Sep-12, 05:42:23 PM
Wow I can't believe how calm she was thru the whole video! She looks sensational! Thanks so much Alison!!!  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-Sep-12, 06:25:57 PM
Amazing from how she was to how she is now! Great video and translation Alison, thanks so much. I wish S2 the best and hope she reclaims her nest, (with no incidents)!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 06-Oct-12, 06:25:56 PM
Here is my translation of the latest update on S2. I think it is good that she is so spirited.

The rebellious peregrine S2

Gemert, Friday, October 5, 2012


Today we have been in contact with the falconer who is currently engaged in the training and the ongoing rehabilitation of the peregrine S2 in preparation for her return to the wild. S2 has been staying with this falconer for several weeks, and he is very optimistic about her progress and the synchronized movements of her wings. Intricate surgery had been performed by the veterinarians Caroline Hommers and Dirk Riemersma on a complex fracture which was repaired successfully by their surgery!

However, there will be some delay in her rehabilitation and training to return to the wild. The peregrine S2 is somewhat rebellious, and is no longer accepting of her situation. She was apparently very quiet and calm with the sanctuary caregiver/falconer who removed her from her enclosure, but now she is very rambunctious with the specialized falconer who must bring her into good condition. This is common behavior in wild raptors who are trained by falconers. Initially they appear quiet and calm, but subsequently begin to protest when their initial fear has been overcome. The falconer must persevere in order to regain their trust, after which progress can be made. The peregrine S2 has also broken an older primary wing feather which she had not yet molted. In itself, this is not a problem, but the adjacent new primary is still coming in and is now at greater risk of being damaged. The falconer has therefore decided to let her rest for a few weeks so that the new primary feather can finish growing in safely, and the older, damaged primary can be molted.

The expectation is that in about three weeks creancing of S2 can be commenced, and that her work with the lure will bring about good progress in her physical conditioning. This implies that her release would take place in the middle of November at the earliest.

Although our patience is being put to the test, and this seems to be a disappointment, for the sake of a good outcome for the peregrine S2, we believe that this is the only appropriate way to proceed, and that we should not make any hasty decisions.

We will keep you informed of further developments regarding the peregrine S2.

VWG Gemert



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 06-Oct-12, 06:35:17 PM
Thanks for the translated update, Alison!  I'm very happy to hear that S2 is feisty and that they're taking their time with her.  She's going to have to be at her best for what might come upon her release.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Oct-12, 07:54:18 PM
Your so right Kris, feisty is good, better than mellow. I hope she does well and finds no foes in her travels home! Thanks Alison!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 06-Oct-12, 09:30:44 PM
Ditto what Kris and Donna said!  :thanx:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 09-Oct-12, 06:12:48 PM
Today there is a new update about S2:

Uncertainties surrounding the rehabilitation of the peregrine S2

Gemert, Tuesday, October 9, 2012


We would like to point out that there are some uncertainties regarding the rehabilitation and the return to the wild of the peregrine S2. Therefore, it seems like a good idea to provide you with more information, and to explain our decision. However, things are still going very well for her!

When the peregrine S2 was seriously injured in late July of 2011, she was brought to us, and in view of her injuries, we had to make the decision whether to euthanize her immediately. The veterinarians decided not to do so. Together we decided to begin treating the peregrine S2 because there was a realistic chance that, despite the complex fractures, she might well be able to make a complete recovery. After successful surgery, to the extent of what is known about this unprecedented treatment of complex fractures, we had hopes that we would be able to release her in early 2012. In the opinion of experts, including veterinarians, falconers, the Netherlands peregrine workgroup and our own expertise, we decided to prepare for her return to the wild after the 2012 breeding season, for reasons which are already well known. During this period, she was housed in a raptor rehabilitation facility where she could recover in peace and quiet. A few weeks ago, she was transferred from there to a specialized falconer who will provide training to bring her into good condition so that she will be able to survive in the wild. Thankfully, the peregrine S2 is displaying normal peregrine behavior and she has become rebellious; this is a well known phenomenon historically in falconry. If we were to disregard this behavior and release her without any training and fitness development, it is inevitable that within days she would die of starvation,  because she would not yet be able to obtain prey for herself. All of these unpredictable processes in the recovery and return to the wild of the peregrine S2 cannot be foreseen, and we must therefore constantly consider and adjust our decisions and options with the interests of the peregrine S2 in mind. But above all, the wellbeing of the peregrine S2 always comes first with us and with all the experts.

We do understand the disappointment that everything will take a little longer before she regains her freedom, but all actions and decisions are being made in the best interests of the peregrine S2. We regret that doubts have been raised on a forum about the expertise and boundless dedication of the rehabilitation center caregivers, falconers, the Netherlands peregrine workgroup, VWG Gemert and numerous volunteers and donors who are involved in the recovery of the peregrine S2. We therefore invite all of them to read all the information we provide carefully so that they will no longer need to post provocative information. Apparently we still have much to learn from you, and we ask you to share your "expertise" with us.

We are still thinking positively and still believe that the peregrine S2 will be released soon! Incidentally, this is not a guarantee, despite all best efforts, that the peregrine S2 will raise another clutch of chicks and that she will not perhaps die in the future from natural causes. In any case, we appreciate the efforts of the many volunteers, donors and professionals who are active for the protection of peregrine falcons and of the peregrine S2 in particular.

After her release, we will go on vacation for a week with no Internet, and we will prepare ourselves for the year 2013, hopefully with the peregrine S2 in the forefront.

George Orwell wrote: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

"Sometimes it's better to remain silent ........"

Martin Vink

VWG Gemert


I don't know who, or which forum, has been questioning the decisions made about S2's care. Personally, I think she has been given the very best of care, and that she has always been treated with gentleness and with the greatest consideration. I appreciate all the thought that has gone into doing the very best for her at each stage of her recovery. If her release takes a little longer, I don't think that is a problem; the end result is what is important.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: bev. on 09-Oct-12, 06:45:02 PM
I agree Allison. Y Our translation was better than the one I did at BCATW  They have been very careful in rehabilitation of S2. Maybe because I am familiar with the works of the falconers, I understand , their cautiousness. Others may have continued with her training, but they know better. Well done , to all volunteers adn those invoved with her rehab.

I will keep S2 and them in my prayers


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 09-Oct-12, 07:14:02 PM
I think the care of S2 by all has been excellent -surgery, rehab, etc.  I want her release to be successful with no harm coming to her and I will keep her in my prayers. Thanks for the update, Alison!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Oct-12, 07:21:13 PM
I believe with all my heart that they did the best for S2. Some places would just put her down. I respect all who were involved with this decision to give her a second chance at life. They all did an awesome job. Thank you Alison for your great translations. I wish them the best with S2 and to S2 herself. It's been one heck of a year and the puzzle is almost finished. Thank you all!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 09-Oct-12, 10:52:36 PM
I think a good job has been done from day 1 for S2.  :heart: I admire their dedication and devotion to her. Thanks Alison!  :wave:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 10-Oct-12, 06:04:50 PM
I think they have done so much for S2; she has come so far, and she would have had no chance without the delicate surgery the veterinarians performed and the excellent care she has received. I think it is sad that some people have negative feelings about the further delay of a few weeks before she is released.

The Dutch version of the update I posted yesterday has already been removed from the VWG Gemert site.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: birdmusic on 14-Oct-12, 08:47:25 AM
Just got word on BCAW that S2 died on Friday.  No word yet on how it happened.  I am speechless. :crying:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-Oct-12, 08:54:30 AM
Just got word on BCAW that S2 died on Friday.  No word yet on how it happened.  I am speechless. :crying:

NO WAY!!!  OMG, after all this?? How awful.  :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 14-Oct-12, 08:58:16 AM
So close...fly free sweet lady...you will never be forgotten  :crying: :crying: :crying: :'(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 14-Oct-12, 09:02:02 AM
Noooooooo!!!!!!  :( :crying: :'(  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 14-Oct-12, 09:29:41 AM
I'm heartbroken-after all she went through to get this far. So sad for her and all the people who did everything in their power to get her back flying in the wild again. Fly high and free, S2, you'll never be forgotten.  :crying:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 14-Oct-12, 09:49:13 AM
OH NO!  :o  :crying:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 14-Oct-12, 10:19:56 AM
It has been reported on BCAW that S2 died from an infestation of fly larvae.
From Ruud Stam: Part of the explanation of the Veterinarian:
During the autopsy, which was performed on S2 is found that this is deceased to an invasion of maggots or fly larvae, called myiasis. The larvae feed at a certain stage of their life with dead or living tissue of a host. Maggots usually live in cadavers, but can also invade viable tissue, mainly through an open wound. An adult fly lays eggs on the scene, after which shortly after laying hatching. Under ideal conditions, the eggs hatch within a few hours and the larvae through the skin towards the abdomen go. They cause massive tissue destruction. This can result in death within 24-48 hours.

She will forever be in our hearts!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-Oct-12, 10:49:09 AM
Are you serious?  :crying:  That just makes it worse!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-Oct-12, 11:09:30 AM
I have started a candle for S2!   :heart:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2 (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2) Please light one for her.  :crying:

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv155/StarryGirl_pics/Smileys/Birthday/bd3582e26ee57ead8c2944e16b6ccc65.gif)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 14-Oct-12, 11:24:25 AM
Oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!  How could this have happened to that sweet baby?



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 14-Oct-12, 08:05:05 PM
The news about the tragic loss of S2 is absolutely devastating. She was so close to being able to go home and reunite with Pa, and now she will never have that chance. I am still in shock and disbelief about what has happened.

I just finished translating the post on the site:

The peregrine S2 has died unexpectedly

Gemert, Sunday, October 14, 2012


The peregrine S2 died unexpectedly earlier this week. A necropsy by a veterinarian has revealed that her death is the result of an invasion of fly larvae. Everyone involved is very upset by the death of S2. This feeling is further exacerbated by the fact that she was on the verge of making a successful return to the wild.

The well known peregrine S2, who since 2007 successfully raised her chicks at the nest on the tower at De Mortel, was found last year with a fractured wing. Upon closer examination, it became clear that the wing fracture was caused by a shotgun. The veterinarian Caroline Hommers, along with Dirk Riemersma. successfully performed surgery to repair the wing fracture. After several months, the injured wing had made a good recovery. The release of S2 was postponed until this fall. Her place on the tower had in the meantime been taken over by another peregrine, and we wanted to protect her from a territorial battle.

Under the authority of the Someren bird sanctuary, the peregrine was provided with accommodations in a quiet environment where she could continue to recover and go through her annual molt, while awaiting her release. Last month, she was moved from there to a falconer for the final phase of the rehabilitation process. The falconer would work to correct the loss of conditioning resulting from her captivity. Then she would be able to catch prey for herself.

The falconer, who is very knowledgeable and experienced with peregrine falcons, was on the verge of beginning the training. This was delayed until the last flight feathers had grown in completely. It was believed that S2 could fly well, and that her release could reasonably take place within a few weeks.

The falconer found the peregrine falcon dead one morning earlier this week. S2 had eaten the previous evening, and had shown no sign of illness. Raptors usually show signs of illness only at a very late stage, because in the wild they cannot afford to appear ill. Even if they should recover from an illness after a few days, in the wild they are by then so weakened by lack of food that they are no longer able to catch prey and often will not survive. The probability is great that the predators will then themselves become victims. For these reasons they will continue on to the bitter end.

Upon closer examination by the falconer, it appeared that the lower part of the body was affected. Precisely because the falcon was given a rest to complete her molt, the damage was hidden by the feathers and the falcon herself had shown no sign of illness that he could detect. The falconer is very upset about what happened to this very special bird, at this stage, while she was in his care.

The peregrine S2 was then transferred to the veterinarian Caroline Hommers to be examined. She found that the cause of death was the result of an invasion of maggots or fly larvae, called Myiasis. At a certain stage of their lives, the larvae feed on the dead or living tissue of a host. Maggots usually live in cadavers, but may also invade living tissue, primarily through an open wound. An adult fly lays eggs in the site, which hatch shortly after they are laid. Under ideal conditions, within a few hours of the eggs hatching, the larvae may travel through the skin towards the abdominal cavity. They cause massive tissue destruction. This can result in death within 24-48 hours of suffering pain. A final X-ray confirmed unmistakably that this was indeed S2. The white color leg band with the number S2 and the leg band from the migration station had been removed temporarily because of the anklets and jesses involved in the training. A brief statement from Caroline Hommers is attached at the end of this message.

Alas, alas, this brings to an end the extraordinary story of S2. One of the most famous, perhaps the most famous, peregrine in recent years. We wanted so badly to give her a new future, and were already preparing to release her. Dutch Radio Engineering had designed a special transmitter by means of which we would be able to follow S2 for a few months after her release, and which would then fall off. Enting Films was ready to film her first wing beats as she took flight, for a documentary which would be made about S2.

It was not meant to be; the story comes to an abrupt end here.

Vogelwerkgroep Gemert thanks all those who in recent months have made efforts on behalf of the peregrine S2. The veterinarians, the Someren Bird Sanctuary, the falconer, BirdLife Netherlands, the Netherlands Peregrine Workgroup, all the donors who have contributed to the rehabilitation of S2 and all the faithful followers who have admired her during all these years.

Statement of the Veterinarian:

Cause of death of the peregrine S2


To be 100% sure that we are indeed dealing with S2, there is first of all an X-ray of the right wing. In this, the old fractures are clearly seen. However, it is also clearly seen that the bones grew back together well. There would therefore be no doubt that the wing would be able to function correctly again. Unfortunately, we will not have the opportunity to observe this.

During the necropsy which was performed on S2, it was found that the cause of death was an invasion of maggots or fly larvae, called Myiasis. At a certain stage of their lives, the larvae feed on the dead or living tissue of a host. Maggots usually live in cadavers, but may also invade living tissue, primarily through an open wound. An adult fly lays eggs in the site, which hatch shortly after they are laid. Under ideal conditions, within a few hours of the eggs hatching the larvae may travel through the skin towards the abdominal cavity. They cause massive tissue destruction. This can result in death within 24-48 hours of suffering pain.

With pain in my heart, I say goodbye to S2.

It has been very enjoyable to work with S2 and to collaborate with all the people involved, in order to contribute to the preservation of wildlife in The Netherlands. Sadly, this particular bird left us much too soon.

Dr. Caroline Hommers
______________

We have been waiting for these preliminary findings of Caroline Hommers concerning the death of the peregrine S2, and unfortunately we have to provide you with this very sad message. She was so close to being successfully released, and then it still went wrong!

VWG Gemert
Arno Teunissen and Martin Vink



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: margaret on 14-Oct-12, 08:46:18 PM
After all she has been through. So sad.  Fly free pretty one!
 :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 14-Oct-12, 10:24:19 PM
 :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Oct-12, 10:28:40 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2 (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2)  Candle for S2  (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/THETRIBEOF_5/Gifs/Heart/chr155.gif)


Only 11 candles for S2?  :(  Keep them lit!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-Oct-12, 10:48:02 PM
More explanations!  :(

Gemert, Thursday, October 18, 2012

Dear visitors, peregrine lovers,

We understand your disappointment, anger and questions arising therefrom. We also experienced emotions and ask us still wondering why this peregrine S2 has happened so close to her successful return to the wild. But that is generally not the best time to discuss decisions previously taken and are in peace which the VWG but has previously communicated that we would again answer.

There are many questions come to us and we hope that the following path to take.

It is suggested that the falconer journeys should be beaten.
The peregrine has more than a year in captivity. This is very long and inevitably leads to loss of condition at the falcon. Falconers know better than anyone that a good condition is crucial for certain species of raptors for successful hunting. They train their hunting birds daily and bring on condition otherwise it will not be successful.
falconer The question is very knowledgeable and has great merits in the field of protection of peregrine falcons. He also has extensive experience in rehabilitation of peregrine falcons, a quality that few in the Netherlands (yet) possess.
His training was solely focused on raising the level of its condition. Not like one wonders hunt, because they knew that al
The peregrine untrained release would apparently have been nice but the chances of that then out of sight of our perception of hunger would die would have been extremely high.
We have the need for this step, in the interest of peregrine S2, explicitly and extensively discussed with other experts such as BirdLife Netherlands, the Working Group Peregrine Netherlands, the veterinarian and the falconer and stand here, even now, still fully behind.

Date of death peregrine S2.
S2 Peregrine Tuesday 9 October geaast just yet and there was nothing special to observe. The reasons for this can be read in previous reports. Wednesday 10 October, she was found dead by the falconer which he further investigation infection with maggots found it on her lower body, here is also her cloaca. The falconer was and is devastated and informed us Wednesday 10 October that she was deceased, he's here still very difficult. Immediately after the discovery is the peregrine S2 freezer and discussed on Thursday 11 October, she frozen transferred to us. We have her placed in a cooler with freezer elements and come home again in the freezer. Iom to the vet's tomorrow Saturday October 13 autopsy this we peregrine S2 on Friday 12 October from the freezer. By directly freezing the maggots slain and does not change the section and the possible cause of death. When the section is a full gizzard found with the bait of Tuesday October 09. Further research and possible precise cause of death await us off.

Placement press release Eindhoven Dagblad Sunday, October 14, 2012
We have deliberately waited to post a press release on our website because we began the preliminary findings of the section S2 wanted so we could correctly informed. In consultation with the bird sanctuary is Sunday contacted the ED for an appointment to the death to make known after we would have published on our website. Here's something wrong and the ED directly to publication and hereby have passed an incorrect data published of her death. After observation of this publication we have direct our full press release posted on our website after the ED have changed their press release stating details. We will not blaming anyone that this is gone but had that love differently, understandable emotions play a role.

Breaking a wing or staartpen.
It is only natural that a bird wing or staartpen breaks. One often sees in raptors in flight there is a pin missing. In itself this is not a problem, just us and the falconer wild peregrine S2 with no risk and hair in the best possible working condition and plumage her freedom back. The breaking of this wing pin has nothing to do with the expertise of the falconer or death of peregrine S2!

Rebellion peregrine S2
This has nothing to do with her ​​death, or damage to its outer wing pin, this is normal behavior and see earlier reports on our website.

Time of infection and death of S2.
Infection by a green blowfly probably has 24-48 hours before her death occurred. This contamination was not observed by the falconer and is usually only visible when it is too late, often after death. See the various publications on the Internet.

What happens to her body.
Peregrine S2 is currently stored in a freezer. We are still in discussions about a respectful way we want her for eternity appropriated.

We understand that you're all very upset and mourn the death of peregrine S2 and many questions as we only ask you confidence to speak out about the doctors, the falconers and the many volunteers who are so used for the recovery of peregrine S2. Despite their great efforts, fate struck unexpectedly and has not to be that she has regained her freedom. Deep respect and gratitude from our side for those who have care of peregrine S2, donors and those who support us through the many and acknowledgments have supported the death of peregrine S2.

We will keep you informed.

 

Vogelwerkgroep Gemert,

Arno Teunissen and Martin Finch


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-Oct-12, 10:52:09 PM
Only 6 candles lit for S2, please light one for her.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 19-Oct-12, 10:57:23 PM
Thanks for the update!  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 20-Oct-12, 06:38:25 PM
My version of the letter posted by VWG Gemert.

Additional information about the peregrine S2

Gemert, Thursday, October 18, 2012


Dear visitors, peregrine falcon lovers,

We understand your disappointment, anger and the questions which arise therefrom. We too are experiencing emotions and are still wondering why this happened to the peregrine S2, so close to her successful return to the wild. But that is usually not the best moment to debate decisions which had been quietly made earlier by VWG and which have been previously communicated, but which we would like to address once again.

There are many questions which have reached us and we hope to answer those in the following manner.

It has been suggested that the process followed by the falconer should have been different.

The peregrine falcon spent over a year in captivity. This is a very long time, and will inevitably lead to a loss of condition in the falcon. Falconers know better than anyone that a good level of fitness is essential for certain species of raptors to be able to hunt successfully. They train their hunting birds every day and keep them in good condition; otherwise they will not be successful.

The falconer in question is very knowledgeable and has major achievements in the area of the protection of peregrine falcons. He also has extensive experience in the rehabilitation of peregrine falcons, a quality which few people in The Netherlands possess to date. His training was focused entirely on bringing her condition to a certain level. It was not that he would train her to hunt, because she already knew that. The release of the peregrine without this training would at first glance seem to be a good idea, but the chances that once she was out of our sight she would have died of starvation would have been extremely high.

We needed to take this step in the interests of the peregrine S2; it had been expressly and thoroughly discussed with other experts such as BirdLife Netherlands, the Netherlands Peregrine Workgroup, the veterinarian and the falconer and even today, we still stand completely behind this decision.

The date of death of the peregrine S2

On Tuesday, October 9, the peregrine S2 was given her usual prey, and nothing extraordinary was observed. The reasons for this can be read in earlier reports.

On Wednesday October 10, she was found dead by the falconer; upon further investigation he found an infestation of maggots on her lower body, and also in her cloaca. The falconer was and is completely devastated and informed us on Wednesday, October 10 that she was deceased; he is still having a very difficult time with this. Immediately following this discovery the peregrine S2 was placed in the freezer and on Thursday, October 11, she was transferred to us in a frozen state. We placed her in a cooler with freezer components and then she was again placed in the freezer. On the morning of Saturday, October 13, a necropsy was performed by the veterinarian; on Friday, October 12, the peregrine S2 was removed from the freezer. The maggots are killed by direct freezing, and this does nothing to alter the necropsy and the possible cause of death. During the necropsy the gizzard was found to be full of the prey from Tuesday, October 9. We await additional findings and a possible precise cause of death.

Placement of a press release in the Eindhoven Dagblad on Sunday, October 14, 2012

We deliberately waited to post a press release on our website because we wanted to have the preliminary findings on the necropsy of S2 so that we could provide you with correct information. In collaboration with the bird sanctuary, on Sunday we contacted the Eindhoven Dagblad for an appointment to make the death known after we had published the information on our website. Here something went wrong, and the Eindhoven Dagblad immediately proceeded to publication, and included wrong information about her death. After seeing this publication, we immediately posted our full press release on our website, after which the Eindhoven Dagblad changed their press release, giving further details. We are not blaming anyone that this happened, but because it happened in this way, it is understandable that emotions played a role.

Breaking a wing feather or tail feather

It is only to be expected that a bird will break a wing or tail feather. One often sees in raptors in flight that there is a missing feather. In itself this is not a problem, it is just that we and the falconer wanted to take no risks and to give the peregrine S2 her freedom back with her plumage in perfect condition.  The breaking of this wing feather had nothing to do with the competence of the falconer or with the death of the peregrine S2!

Rebelliousness of the peregrine S2

This has nothing to do with her death, or damage to her primary wing feather, this is normal behavior; please see earlier reports on our website.

Time of infection and death of S2

The green blowfly infestation probably occurred 24-48 hours before her death. This infestation was not observed by the falconer and is, as a rule, only visible when it is too late, often after death. Please see the various publications on the Internet.

What will happen to her body

The peregrine S2 is currently being kept in a freezer. We are still in discussion about a respectful way in which we would like to provide for her for eternity.

We fully understand that all of you are very upset and mourning the death of the peregrine S2 and have many questions; we only ask that you kindly give a vote of confidence to the veterinarians, the falconers and the many volunteers who have been involved in the rehabilitation of the peregrine S2. In spite of their great efforts, tragedy struck unexpectedly, and it was not to be that she would regain her freedom. With deep respect and gratitude from our side for those who have cared for the peregrine S2, the donors and those who have supported us by way of their expressions of thanks and messages of support on the death of the peregrine S2.

We will keep you informed.

Vogelwerkgroep Gemert,

Arno Teunissen and Martin Vink



Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 20-Oct-12, 06:48:51 PM
Thanks for the translated update about S2, Alison.  I do think they did the best they could for her and so hoped she could've been flying free soon but, sadly, it just wasn't meant to be.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 20-Oct-12, 07:15:46 PM
Just lit more candles for S2. There are 31 now; I think she needs some more.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 20-Oct-12, 07:26:19 PM
Just lit more candles for S2. There are 31 now; I think she needs some more.


I agree. I've been lighting them for her.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 28-Oct-12, 11:38:59 PM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2 (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2)

Only 4 candles lit for S2!  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 29-Oct-12, 09:38:40 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2 (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2)

Only 4 candles lit for S2!  :(

There were only 2 (yours) last night until I lit 2.  :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Oct-12, 09:41:05 AM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2 (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=%3C3%20S2)

Only 4 candles lit for S2!  :(

There were only 2 (yours) last night until I lit 2.  :(

19 now


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 29-Oct-12, 03:19:15 PM
Just lit more candles for S2; there are 24 now. I think she could use some more.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 30-Nov-12, 04:28:36 PM
From the VWG Gemert website:

Silence

Gemert, Monday, November 26, 2012


Following the death of the peregrine S2, it has been very quiet on this site for some time.

Our disappointment was, and is, very great; she was so close to being released, and then she died suddenly. We were in total disbelief when we learned what had happened to the peregrine S2 in the final phase of her return to the wild. After a successful stay and rehabilitation lasting almost a year with one of our (expert) members of VWG Gemert, under the responsibility of the bird refuge at Lierop/Someren, we must also accept that despite all our best efforts we were not successful in restoring her freedom to her. We hope that you will understand the resulting silence on this website, but we also understand that you still have many questions.

Meanwhile, the autopsy report is here, and the peregrine S2 was taken to a taxidermist for assessment. In view of the serious damage to her body caused by maggots, it is not possible for her to be set up in her entirety. We now have the possibility to see whether we could still allow her preparation in an appropriate manner, with deep respect for the bird and in a way which would be particularly aesthetically pleasing.

The peregrine would be transferred to a museum/institution so that information on the persecution of raptors, the work involved in the protection of birds, and the history of the peregrine S2, supported by all the image material, could be seen by a wide audience. If this is not possible, or if it would detract from the memory of the peregrine S2, then we will lay her to rest at the tower of de Mortel. We will look into every possibility quite deliberately, thoroughly and with great respect, and will make sure that the peregrine S2 receives the attention and the destiny which she deserves.

The shooting and the death of peregrine S2, and the persecution of raptors in general, strengthens our resolve to continue with our protection work. We thank you for your support and sympathy in this situation, and hope that 2013 will be a successful year for peregrine falcons at the de Mortel tower.

Necropsy on S2

Very brief summary:

The comprehensive necropsy report showed that there were no significant particulars on macroscopic inspection and microscopy (cytology and histology). The conclusion is that there was nothing wrong with the bird. Additional staining and examination were conducted, but here too nothing extraordinary was found. The bird was killed by maggots and the waste materials thereof. Unfortunately, maggots also invade healthy individuals, which is what happened here.

Source: Necropsy report and veterinary pathologist.

Webcam images

In anticipation of the potential return of the peregrine S2, we carried live images via Ustream, the implementation of which necessitated daily time from the webmaster; for reasons which are hopefully understandable, we stopped doing this. Perhaps we will begin this again at the end of January or the beginning of February 2013. A few weeks ago we took the computer from the tower for major maintenance, so that in the spring of 2013 you will hopefully once again be able to enjoy the images. This year we will reinstall the computer at the tower so that you will be able to see the refreshed still images and follow the peregrine Pa and his new mate.

Sincerely,

VWG Gemert
Martin Vink


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 30-Nov-12, 04:34:52 PM
Thank you for posting this for us, Alison.  It's all so sad that we have lost the magnificent S2 but her memory, for many, will live on forever.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Nov-12, 04:36:58 PM
This is all just too sad! Can something be done to prevent these "Maggots" in the future? Who knows, maybe this is how many die in the wild! Is there something to do at banding to help? Just seems like a simple solution but it's probably not. What a way to go!  :crying: She was so close and came a long way to die from an infestation of fly larvae!  Thank you Alison!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 30-Nov-12, 05:11:52 PM
I have only tears to share on this particular post!  :crying:     
 :heart: S2  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Bird Crazy on 30-Nov-12, 06:45:36 PM
This is all just too sad! Can something be done to prevent these "Maggots" in the future? Who knows, maybe this is how many die in the wild! Is there something to do at banding to help? Just seems like a simple solution but it's probably not. What a way to go!  :crying: She was so close and came a long way to die from an infestation of fly larvae!  Thank you Alison!
something happened like this years ago to my dog. He was a house dog and only out to do his business. He was bitten by a fly that laid eggs in a gland by his rear end.  :-[ We caught it and took him to the vet and they fixed him up and he was fine. Flies are just nasty. I doubt if there is anything you can do, pesticides (I know they have stuff for horses) would cause more and probably worse problems (shades of DDT)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 30-Nov-12, 07:07:52 PM
My heart aches for her.  She went through so much and was so close to release.  I don't understand maggot infestation.  Poor sweet girl :crying:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Tokira on 30-Nov-12, 07:13:09 PM
"Normal" flies and maggots are sometimes used to clean and debride wounds.
However, since more and more stray dogs are being brought into the US by "Adoption" groups, their infestations of the bad ones are increasingly common, where they were seldom seen North of the Tropics until the past few years.
The following link tells the story, but IT IS NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH  :nausea:
http://www.minnesotamalamuteclub.com/flystrik.htm (http://www.minnesotamalamuteclub.com/flystrik.htm)
It is now a serious concern among animal owners  :(
Carol
WV


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 30-Nov-12, 07:58:43 PM
So very sad.   :(


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 27-Jan-13, 07:56:19 PM
http://youtu.be/ABcapiDUL3U (http://youtu.be/ABcapiDUL3U)   Life goes on at DeMortel


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 31-Jan-13, 12:52:31 PM
Pa from today



Posted on fb


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 31-Jan-13, 01:03:39 PM
Pa from today



Posted on fb

Good to see Pa!  (probably a new topic topic heading should be started seeing as S2 isn't with us anymore  :sorrow:) His new mate is being called Vievie-her band letters are VV.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 31-Jan-13, 01:10:30 PM
Pa from today



Posted on fb

Good to see Pa!  (probably a new topic topic heading should be started seeing as S2 isn't with us anymore  :sorrow:) His new mate is being called Vievie-her band letters are VV.

Do they know anything about her? If she's banded, have they read the other number?


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 31-Jan-13, 01:25:58 PM
So life goes on for Pa.  That's good.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 31-Jan-13, 02:07:18 PM
Pa from today



Posted on fb

Good to see Pa!  (probably a new topic topic heading should be started seeing as S2 isn't with us anymore  :sorrow:) His new mate is being called Vievie-her band letters are VV.

Do they know anything about her? If she's banded, have they read the other number?

That I don't know-sorry.   You could ask on BCAW.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 31-Jan-13, 03:02:14 PM
It's a good thing that Peregrines move forward without the strong emotional ties that humans have for their life partners or they might not have recovered the species as quickly. We do get life lessons from them whether we realize it or not. Carry on with life people!  ;D


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 02-Feb-13, 07:24:28 PM
I was reading a post about Pa and new gal the other day on BCAW and someone asked if new gal was banded.  They said she is unbanded although I had read VV/Vievie in some converation on there. I guess I misunderstood that VV was her band no. so, no, she isn't banded but her name is still Vievie.  :crazy:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 03-Feb-13, 04:09:20 PM
I was reading a post about Pa and new gal the other day on BCAW and someone asked if new gal was banded.  They said she is unbanded although I had read VV/Vievie in some converation on there. I guess I misunderstood that VV was her band no. so, no, she isn't banded but her name is still Vievie.  :crazy:
Yes, Pa's new mate is unbanded. I had usually seen her referred to on one or more Dutch forums as Miep or the diminutive Miepke (Miep is a Dutch variant of Maria). Apparently on one Dutch forum she is referred to as VV. BCAW decided for some reason to go with this name.


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 03-Feb-13, 04:25:41 PM
I was reading a post about Pa and new gal the other day on BCAW and someone asked if new gal was banded.  They said she is unbanded although I had read VV/Vievie in some converation on there. I guess I misunderstood that VV was her band no. so, no, she isn't banded but her name is still Vievie.  :crazy:
Yes, Pa's new mate is unbanded. I had usually seen her referred to on one or more Dutch forums as Miep or the diminutive Miepke (Miep is a Dutch variant of Maria). Apparently on one Dutch forum she is referred to as VV. BCAW decided for some reason to go with this name.


I saw the name Miep too but then VV/Vievie so it was really confusing! Thanks for clearing the names up for me!  I just pray that it's a quiet year for poor Pa and that he and Vievie have babies. 


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 03-Feb-13, 04:47:47 PM
I saw the name Miep too but then VV/Vievie so it was really confusing! Thanks for clearing the names up for me!  I just pray that it's a quiet year for poor Pa and that he and Vievie have babies. 
I too hope that Pa and his new mate will have a good year, with no territorial disputes or other problems. I don't know where the name VV (or Vievie) came from. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name Maria (with any spelling) for a peregrine . . .


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 04-Feb-13, 07:03:05 PM
I saw the name Miep too but then VV/Vievie so it was really confusing! Thanks for clearing the names up for me!  I just pray that it's a quiet year for poor Pa and that he and Vievie have babies.  
I too hope that Pa and his new mate will have a good year, with no territorial disputes or other problems. I don't know where the name VV (or Vievie) came from. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name Maria (with any spelling) for a peregrine . . .

The  name VV means  Vreemde Vrouw (Unknown Women).And then some people  called her Miep,just a woman's name.
I hope this is a better year for Pa and his mate. Thanks for your information.Greetings Carla


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 04-Feb-13, 07:10:24 PM
Well wishes for a successful season there.

S2  :sorrow:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 04-Feb-13, 07:28:45 PM
I saw the name Miep too but then VV/Vievie so it was really confusing! Thanks for clearing the names up for me!  I just pray that it's a quiet year for poor Pa and that he and Vievie have babies.  
I too hope that Pa and his new mate will have a good year, with no territorial disputes or other problems. I don't know where the name VV (or Vievie) came from. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the name Maria (with any spelling) for a peregrine . . .

The  name VV means  Vreemde Vrouw (Unknown Women).And then some people  called her Miep,just a woman's name.
I hope this is a better year for Pa and his mate. Thanks for your information.Greetings Carla

I wondered where the VV came from!  Thanks for the explanation, Carla!


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 13-Feb-13, 07:54:46 AM
http://youtu.be/bQlHGXTRHGw (http://youtu.be/bQlHGXTRHGw) Pa captured by Coriena on BCAW


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 13-Feb-13, 12:26:25 PM
S2  :heart:


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-Feb-13, 07:19:45 AM
He brought her a present! 

from fb


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 18-Mar-13, 08:23:57 AM
In a stunning turn of events...OR2 is back!!  Anniet has posted photo of her leg band and she was seen accepting food from Pa!

http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=382&t=1429&start=100 (http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=382&t=1429&start=100)


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 18-Mar-13, 08:32:44 AM
In a stunning turn of events...OR2 is back!!  Anniet has posted photo of her leg band and she was seen accepting food from Pa!

http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=382&t=1429&start=100 (http://www.peregrinefalcon-bcaw.net/viewtopic.php?f=382&t=1429&start=100)

My heart can't take no more!  :o


Title: Re: Pa & S2 - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 20-Mar-13, 06:13:02 AM
 :surprise:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Joyce on 29-Mar-13, 10:06:20 PM
Donna - your heart must take more...VV is back again.


NOTE - Topic heading has been revised to De Mortel - Netherlands


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Mar-13, 06:59:25 AM
Donna - your heart must take more...VV is back again.


NOTE - Topic heading has been revised to De Mortel - Netherlands

NO WAY!!! What is going on?   :o  


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Bird Crazy on 30-Mar-13, 08:21:12 AM
Donna - your heart must take more...VV is back again.


NOTE - Topic heading has been revised to De Mortel - Netherlands

NO WAY!!! What is going on?   :o  
obviously the girls are still duking it out, hope some one gives up before they get hurt  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Mar-13, 08:56:15 AM
Donna - your heart must take more...VV is back again.


NOTE - Topic heading has been revised to De Mortel - Netherlands

NO WAY!!! What is going on?   :o  
obviously the girls are still duking it out, hope some one gives up before they get hurt  :(

I don't mean, "What's going on" I mean, "What's going on that they switch back and forth"? Obviously, at that nest, there is no victor........yet! Could VV be ready to lay eggs, OR2 also? Crazy season!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Apr-13, 11:09:39 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)

Check out the 3rd video Pa in Slow motion!!  :o  Now that is cool!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Apr-13, 11:33:16 PM
I love this cam! Very cool slow mo video!!! Thanks Donna-I never have time to check out all the sites.  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-13, 08:55:44 AM
1st egg at DeMortel, not sure who the female is at this point! VV or OR2???


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 08-Apr-13, 10:44:44 AM
At this point it's VV.Don't know where 2 OR is.She was only back for a few days.
Hope everything is going to be allright.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-13, 12:18:05 PM
At this point it's VV.Don't know where 2 OR is.She was only back for a few days.
Hope everything is going to be allright.

Thanks Carla, I keep saying OR 2. I'll get it yet! They have as many problems as we do here.  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-13, 07:01:53 PM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/Paegg_zps1621d4e9.jpg) Pa getting ready to brood.

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/Vievie1stegg_zps13d4f370.jpg) Mom and egg


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 08-Apr-13, 08:15:18 PM
But they do have an Egg.....


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 08-Apr-13, 08:30:14 PM
But they do have an Egg.....

 :yes:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-May-13, 11:17:29 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/clips/1331 (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/clips/1331) 2 OR, is she back?? Not another year like last! Poor eggs!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 01-May-13, 11:56:30 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/clips/1331 (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/clips/1331) 2 OR, is she back?? Not another year like last! Poor eggs!!

This site is in the running with us for the most drama!  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 02-May-13, 03:35:19 PM
Don't worry,there are lots of falcons flying over there,they only pass by.Its quiet at the moment.
It's not sure that it was 2OR.Only a Little warning was enough to chase her away.
So far so good.
Lets hope it stays that way.
Greetings Carla


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 02-May-13, 05:58:40 PM
Don't worry,there are lots of falcons flying over there,they only pass by.Its quiet at the moment.
It's not sure that it was 2OR.Only a Little warning was enough to chase her away.
So far so good.
Lets hope it stays that way.
Greetings Carla

Good,glad to hear it Carla. Thanks for the reassurance.  :phew:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 13-May-13, 04:54:29 AM
First hatch in the Mortel 10.39 am Dutch time.
And at least one other pip !!!
:hatch1:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 13-May-13, 05:13:30 AM
 goodnews: :clap:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 13-May-13, 06:28:48 AM
#2 has arrived!

http://youtu.be/helhwGPkxVE (http://youtu.be/helhwGPkxVE)  1st hatch


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 13-May-13, 09:39:06 AM
Congrats to Pa and Vievie!

         :hatch1: :hatch1:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 13-May-13, 03:23:28 PM
Very happy for Pa! S2- :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-May-13, 06:40:33 AM
Sad news!  :crying:

Unfortunately there is a dead young in the nest, which is what happened the last few days might be that the error has gone a reason. Three or four days ago the female was more restless, she rolled over and turned the eggs if the bowling balls were. Normally you do not see this behavior and the eggs are hardly turned the last days. Sunday night we could hear the first sounds of the boy, using sounds they encourage each other to crawl. Hatched Monday at 10:38 crawled the first young hatched. This is quite gone quickly as it normally can take 24 to 48 hours. Because the female almost immediately after the first egg hatched started with and not as usual in the last one and egg (2 e egg) was expected that the second one only a young would crawl two days later from the egg and the third young than again one or two days later. The weblog about the release of the first egg we wrote that it could take the last egg would hatch but no within 1 ½ hours the young from the second (third?) Ei al Perhaps there shaking, 4 days times, turning a reason that the second (third?) egg came so soon after the first egg. I read this morning that the female was quite awkward with a prey and then stood. The young But we have also heard rumors that a mysterious disease / bacteria among peregrine falcons that provide many victims. Something has not gone well with this young and nature is hard here in, only the strongest will survive and a strong offspring can provide in any case. For now holds the third egg or maybe this is the second egg adhere to the timetable and there will again be seen. Two live young.



Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 14-May-13, 12:21:01 PM
Sad news about the eyas and more bad news-

Just read this on Twitter:

@KuikoNL: Female 2or has been found dead on the tower. Probably died in march


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 14-May-13, 12:26:05 PM
More sad news,2OR was found death yesterday on one of the rings (level)Of the Mortel Tower.
There must have been a territorial fight (march 26),the last time she was seen.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carly on 14-May-13, 12:36:12 PM
More sad news,2OR was found death yesterday on one of the rings (level)Of the Mortel Tower.
There must have been a territorial fight (march 26),the last time she was seen.

 :( :'( :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Christiane on 14-May-13, 01:05:05 PM
 
So sad to hear of the loss of the eyas and now 2OR.  How many years was she with Pa?  Such is the way of the wild. . . : (  Christiane


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 14-May-13, 01:53:25 PM
Such bad news there today! Fly free little one & 2OR. Believe it or not, I still miss Ma!  :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 14-May-13, 01:58:10 PM
Such bad news there today! Fly free little one & 2OR. Believe it or not, I still miss Ma!  :heart:

And S2.  :sorrow:  Poor Pa, so many mates lost.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 14-May-13, 03:14:26 PM
Google translation from De Mortel post:

2 OR dead
Yesterday we got the message that a dead peregrine was seen on one of the rings of the tower of De Mortel. Today we visited the tower and found 2 OR death on the second ring. In 2012 she had a clutch of three eggs but was then disturbed by a strange woman (VV). The clutch is lost and 2 OR was heard nothing until she suddenly was present on March 18, 2013 on the tower. Now they disturbed the strange female (VV) who assembled together just at the first oviposition. From 16 March to 25 March, there are between 2 OR and male matings observed but found it out of the picture also territorial battles with an intruder / intruder (VV?). After March 25 it is no longer recognizable observed and took the strange female (VV) on March 26 its place again. The battles that were disrupted in 2012 unfortunately now finally settled and it is likely that she is deceased to the effects of a territorial fight with the strange female (VV). Around March 26, 2013



Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 14-May-13, 07:29:29 PM
So much tragedy at this site-reminds me of our losses from last year. May they all forever fly free!!!  :heart: :kleenex:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-May-13, 06:43:12 PM
Another egg has hatched today!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Jun-13, 05:57:25 AM
2 boys for Pa and V

Today the young peregrine falcons banded!
At 10: 00 goes a ringer of working group Peregrine Falcon Netherlands upwards and will be around 10: 15 – 10: 20 the two boy from the nest box. The chicks get two rings, a ring with color code and a ring with number of the bird migratory station. By applying rings are birds to recognize individually and can be collected information that contributes to a better protection of the Peregrine Falcon. During the rings is also checked the condition of the peregrine falcons.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 05-Jun-13, 09:12:55 AM
2 boys for Pa and V

Today the young peregrine falcons banded!
At 10: 00 goes a ringer of working group Peregrine Falcon Netherlands upwards and will be around 10: 15 – 10: 20 the two boy from the nest box. The chicks get two rings, a ring with color code and a ring with number of the bird migratory station. By applying rings are birds to recognize individually and can be collected information that contributes to a better protection of the Peregrine Falcon. During the rings is also checked the condition of the peregrine falcons.

Congrats to Pa and Vievie! :clap:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 05-Jun-13, 10:15:38 AM
From what I read on "Beleefdelente" there is one boy and one girl.I watched te cam this morning during the banding.Great News!


PS .It must have been the translation.They wrote `twee jonge slechtvalken`wich means two young Pefa's
In the Netherlands a jongen is a boy and also the name for young animals.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Jun-13, 10:51:56 AM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Jun-13, 01:51:51 PM
From what I read on "Beleefdelente" there is one boy and one girl.I watched te cam this morning during the banding.Great News!


PS .It must have been the translation.They wrote `twee jonge slechtvalken`wich means two young Pefa's
In the Netherlands a jongen is a boy and also the name for young animals.

OK, it was lost in translation!! Female 2R, 920 grams / Male 2O 595 grams   


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Jun-13, 06:30:10 PM
Oh my, the female is almost twice the males weight!  :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Jun-13, 08:42:46 PM
  She is a BIG girl!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Oct-13, 08:05:17 AM
Ew, it's a fly infestation!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 05-Oct-13, 08:48:42 AM
Ew, it's a fly infestation!

                     :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Shaky on 05-Oct-13, 08:53:04 AM
Thank goodness we have Glowz the spider here.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Oct-13, 03:42:13 PM
http://youtu.be/xAbTz_-UbMM (http://youtu.be/xAbTz_-UbMM) Falcons and Flies and in Flies the Falcon  1:26 mark


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 06-Oct-13, 03:47:37 PM
And it flew off at the 2:18 mark!  :gum:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 20-Nov-13, 10:05:48 AM
We are currently testing various cameras, last week there temporarily placed on the tower of the mortar.
On the initial findings, we are very satisfied with both picture and sound are distorted and the camera offers many opportunities to care. Beautiful images of the roof and peregrine falcons
Cooperation with Alticom, Rovitech, Pager Services and Securicon going very well, there will be special fasteners applied to the outside cams and the harness goes soon through the roof to the computer. There are some technical and financial issues that may be. Deserve our attention and the next time there will be many activities carried out but we are confident that 2014 special and beautiful images shown.   :clap:





Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 20-Nov-13, 10:31:15 AM
We are currently testing various cameras, last week there temporarily placed on the tower of the mortar.
On the initial findings, we are very satisfied with both picture and sound are distorted and the camera offers many opportunities to care. Beautiful images of the roof and peregrine falcons
Cooperation with Alticom, Rovitech, Pager Services and Securicon going very well, there will be special fasteners applied to the outside cams and the harness goes soon through the roof to the computer. There are some technical and financial issues that may be. Deserve our attention and the next time there will be many activities carried out but we are confident that 2014 special and beautiful images shown.   :clap:





Excellent!   :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 20-Nov-13, 10:33:37 AM
Great news!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 21-Nov-13, 06:36:50 AM
  Pretty gross but this is from the new Cam from this am





Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 21-Nov-13, 09:48:38 AM
http://youtu.be/TJOoJgTyP9g (http://youtu.be/TJOoJgTyP9g)  Still testing new cam  :sick:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 21-Nov-13, 10:31:09 AM
Good camera. You can see all the feathers floating in the puddle on the roof.  :gum:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 22-Nov-13, 04:38:16 AM
WOW  :wow: Great video


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-Mar-14, 01:27:00 PM
Pa and Vievie have their first egg!  :mbanana:

Live cam:

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk  (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-Mar-14, 01:54:41 PM
Pa and Vievie have their first egg!  :mbanana:

Live cam:

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk  (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


 :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 12-Mar-14, 02:10:49 PM
Pa and Vievie have their first egg!  :mbanana:

Live cam:

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk  (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


 :2thumbsup:

 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 12-Mar-14, 03:26:14 PM
Pa and Vievie have their first egg!  :mbanana:

Live cam:

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk  (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


 :2thumbsup:

 :thumbsup:
Yeah... :yahoo:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Mar-14, 07:21:15 AM
  Make that 2 


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Mar-14, 09:12:50 AM
  Make that 2 

          :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 15-Mar-14, 10:43:08 AM
  Make that 2 

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 19-Mar-14, 06:59:15 PM
4 eggs for Pa and Vievie!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-Mar-14, 07:33:22 PM
4 eggs for Pa and Vievie!


 :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 19-Mar-14, 11:14:57 PM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 21-Mar-14, 08:46:42 PM


The male in Delft was identified by his band, red GH. He is a son of Pa and S2, hatched in 2010   :heart:  S2


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 21-Mar-14, 10:29:15 PM


The male in Delft was identified by his band, red GH. He is a son of Pa and S2, hatched in 2010   :heart:  S2

Wonderful news!  S2  :heart: 


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 21-Mar-14, 10:41:17 PM
 goodnews:    S2 :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Apr-14, 03:10:35 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)

Watch poor Pa on the second video down on the right!!!   :devil: :wub:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 05-Apr-14, 04:37:01 PM
http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)

Watch poor Pa on the second video down on the right!!!   :devil: :wub:

Good thing there's only 4 of them!  ;D


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 05-Apr-14, 07:50:05 PM
http://youtu.be/7Taq41Rov9s (http://youtu.be/7Taq41Rov9s)

Assuming by the text, this is an intruder!!  :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Apr-14, 05:52:52 AM
Apr 15.04.2014 23: 58 pm VWG Gemert 2R found dead peregrine falcon female 2R, born in the Mortar 2013 is doodgevonden in Middelburg. She lay next to the railway line, maybe by a train flown but the pipes above that is also possible. She is found on 14 april 2014. Distance to birthplace 145 km

 :( Short life for her!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 16-Apr-14, 06:27:22 AM
Apr 15.04.2014 23: 58 pm VWG Gemert 2R found dead peregrine falcon female 2R, born in the Mortar 2013 is doodgevonden in Middelburg. She lay next to the railway line, maybe by a train flown but the pipes above that is also possible. She is found on 14 april 2014. Distance to birthplace 145 km

 :( Short life for her!

 :sorrow:  :'(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 16-Apr-14, 06:35:52 AM
Sad  :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 19-Apr-14, 10:42:53 PM
First hatch for Pa and Vievie!  :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 19-Apr-14, 10:53:00 PM
First hatch for Pa and Vievie!  :2thumbsup:

 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 26-Apr-14, 01:46:04 PM
Pigeon wing keeps them together!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Annette on 26-Apr-14, 02:12:21 PM
Pigeon wing keeps them together!
:2funny:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 26-Apr-14, 02:50:30 PM
Look at that young mothers face !  :wub:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-14, 04:29:11 PM
Pigeon wing keeps them together!

How cute is that!   :laugh:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 04-May-14, 08:53:36 AM
It's no sausage and eggs! Bleck!!

from fb




Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 04-May-14, 11:48:56 AM
It's no sausage and eggs! Bleck!!

from fb




Tagged prey-pigeon fanciers won't like this!  :whistle:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 08:23:23 AM
Banding this am, not sure what time. They said 14 hours!! Is that 9 or 10 AM our time?


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Shaky on 12-May-14, 08:31:21 AM
Banding this am, not sure what time. They said 14 hours!! Is that 9 or 10 AM our time?

I think it's 8.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 08:43:37 AM
Banding this am, not sure what time. They said 14 hours!! Is that 9 or 10 AM our time?

I think it's 8.

Hmm, who knows, they don't seem to be banded yet!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 08:49:21 AM
They just widened the outside view, so soon I guess!

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 09:28:10 AM
Banding now! They are picking up rings N things!!



Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 10:20:45 AM
Wow, they keep those kids out for a long time!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 10:28:24 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/5-12Demortelback_zpsa32a6745.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/5-12Demortelback_zpsa32a6745.jpg.html) Back now and they were NOT happy!!  :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-May-14, 10:43:31 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/5-12Demortelback_zpsa32a6745.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/5-12Demortelback_zpsa32a6745.jpg.html) Back now and they were NOT happy!!  :heart:

Cuties!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 10:47:26 AM
I believe they are: 2 girls and 2 boys!!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 10:51:48 AM
http://youtu.be/77nNut5PEUo (http://youtu.be/77nNut5PEUo)  It's long!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-May-14, 12:32:47 PM
I believe they are: 2 girls and 2 boys!!!

 :clap:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 12-May-14, 12:49:26 PM
 :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 01:19:05 PM
VV or Pa have not been back since banding. Pa should be used to it but VV not!! Kids are getting antsy!!

*Just as I posted this VV came in with food!!  :devil:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-May-14, 01:25:09 PM
Tag team feeding now!! :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 17-Mar-15, 06:30:38 AM
2 eggs so far!!!   :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 03-Apr-15, 04:16:35 PM
4 eggs for Pa and Vievie!  Saw on BCAW that Pa has battled with another tiercel and suffered a right eye injury.   :(




Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-Apr-15, 05:22:17 PM
4 eggs for Pa and Vievie!  Saw on BCAW that Pa has battled with another tiercel and suffered a right eye injury.   :(




Poor Pa!!  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 04-Apr-15, 09:17:18 AM
I hope Pa is okay. He must be close to 20 years old now, not a young tiercel. He is one of the great ones.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 04-Apr-15, 09:24:08 AM
I hope Pa is okay. He must be close to 20 years old now, not a young tiercel. He is one of the great ones.


He sure is, Alison!   :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Christiane on 04-Apr-15, 11:49:45 AM
I saw yesterday on the Beleef de Lente site that Pa was 13 or a bit older.  He's  definitely been a trooper for all these years, a persevering mate and nurturing  "Pa" to his offspring!   Christiane


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 04-Apr-15, 03:05:27 PM
This was the first site I watched along with Mariah and Kaver when I first started following falcons, so Pa is special to me. An exceptional Peregrine!  :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 04-Apr-15, 08:18:36 PM
This was the first site I watched along with Mariah and Kaver when I first started following falcons, so Pa is special to me. An exceptional Peregrine!  :heart:

Same here MAK!! Ma & Pa, Mariah & Kaver   :heart: :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-Apr-15, 02:06:54 PM
Sounds like Pa is still battling an intruder!! Anyone know for sure? He's making a racket! :(

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 06-Apr-15, 03:22:15 PM
Sounds like Pa is still battling an intruder!! Anyone know for sure? He's making a racket! :(

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk)

 :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 06-Apr-15, 06:54:06 PM
At the moment it,s all quiet.
But all the falcons love this nestbox ,there will always be falcons (floaters)who love to take over the nestbox.So far there where 7 intruders , juvies about 2 or 3 years old.They are not a danger for this year.
let's hope it stays quiet.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 06-Apr-15, 06:59:29 PM
At the moment it,s all quiet.
But all the falcons love this nestbox ,there will always be falcons (floaters)who love to take over the nestbox.So far there where 7 intruders , juvies about 2 or 3 years old.They are not a danger for this year.
let's hope it stays quiet.

Thanks, Carla! 


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 07-Apr-15, 06:51:06 AM
strange man , no rings , more speckles on his bib ..... 'm worried about Dad.  (Translated)

It seems that this beautiful , brutal male claiming the hive !

Also worry about Pa . But also about the eggs.

The strange man is simply present as a winner in the closet , Dad nowhere to be seen , my heart cries

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/New%20guy%20demortel_zpsgknz9xmk.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/New%20guy%20demortel_zpsgknz9xmk.jpg.html)

(I knew yesterday, it didn't look or sound good) Poor Pa, I hope he's not out there injured!) This SUX!!

The new guy is standing on the nest box now. Now what?  Will he help? UGH!!

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk) Watch the clips, VV not Happy!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 07-Apr-15, 10:07:35 AM
strange man , no rings , more speckles on his bib ..... 'm worried about Dad.  (Translated)

It seems that this beautiful , brutal male claiming the hive !

Also worry about Pa . But also about the eggs.

The strange man is simply present as a winner in the closet , Dad nowhere to be seen , my heart cries

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/New%20guy%20demortel_zpsgknz9xmk.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/New%20guy%20demortel_zpsgknz9xmk.jpg.html)

(I knew yesterday, it didn't look or sound good) Poor Pa, I hope he's not out there injured!) This SUX!!

The new guy is standing on the nest box now. Now what?  Will he help? UGH!!

http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk (http://www.beleefdelente.nl/vogel/slechtvalk) Watch the clips, VV not Happy!!


So many fights here..last few years have been awful!  Pa  :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 07-Apr-15, 11:52:29 AM
http://youtu.be/6AUhZoKKzck (http://youtu.be/6AUhZoKKzck)

Someone wrote that Pa may have a broken or sprained foot!  You can see him land with the other male also!


It seems that Pa is just at the tower according to observers on the ground!  update


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 07-Apr-15, 12:00:58 PM
 :(  Hate these battles.  But, know it's a way of life for the falcons.  Be safe Pa.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 07-Apr-15, 07:05:56 PM
 :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-15, 08:53:26 AM
http://youtu.be/ecMapz5o5YA (http://youtu.be/ecMapz5o5YA)

I'm done and I don't want to know! Looks like a new female there also!!  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 08-Apr-15, 09:04:18 AM
Such a sad situation there.   :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: jeanne on 08-Apr-15, 02:29:51 PM
I hate this. I know it is nature but still. :(  So much heartache at that site


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-15, 03:21:56 PM
I hate this. I know it is nature but still. :(  So much heartache at that site

Not watching, it hurts too much! I'm a sissy!!  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: NCAFalcons on 08-Apr-15, 04:29:32 PM
Late this afternoon/evening at the site, there was battling between 2 males.  Either Pa is trying to get his territory back, or another intruding male.  Either way, the intruding male was forced to flee to the box for safety a few times.  Appears this story isn't over yet.

To my knowledge, no more sightings of the banded female from the video earlier today.  Seems VV chased that girl out.  VV is really doing a good job of protecting her eggs.  At least the males have not taken the fighting into the box.

There are videos of the encounters over on BCAW.  If it is Pa, he's putting up a good fight.  Sort of reminds me of when that unbanded male came to the box in 2013 when incubation was underway and DC appeared to be injured and stayed down at BS for a day or two.  


Edit:  just saw an update on BCAW from someone from NL - apparently this is another intruder male.  Pa has not been seen since 4/6.

 :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-Apr-15, 05:35:17 PM
I knew it was going to get bad and that is why I shut it down!!  So sad for all!  :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 08-Apr-15, 06:44:38 PM
Late this afternoon/evening at the site, there was battling between 2 males.  Either Pa is trying to get his territory back, or another intruding male.  Either way, the intruding male was forced to flee to the box for safety a few times.  Appears this story isn't over yet.

To my knowledge, no more sightings of the banded female from the video earlier today.  Seems VV chased that girl out.  VV is really doing a good job of protecting her eggs.  At least the males have not taken the fighting into the box.

There are videos of the encounters over on BCAW.  If it is Pa, he's putting up a good fight.  Sort of reminds me of when that unbanded male came to the box in 2013 when incubation was underway and DC appeared to be injured and stayed down at BS for a day or two.  


Edit:  just saw an update on BCAW from someone from NL - apparently this is another intruder male.  Pa has not been seen since 4/6.

 :crying:

Just heartbreaking.  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Apr-15, 05:33:33 AM
http://youtu.be/42VG9ZvRW8Q (http://youtu.be/42VG9ZvRW8Q)  It's never ending. Posted on BCAW this am!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 09-Apr-15, 06:42:26 AM
Very sad situation. :crying:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 09-Apr-15, 06:51:17 AM
.................Pa is back......................Mixed emotions..........


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 09-Apr-15, 07:14:22 AM
.................Pa is back......................Mixed emotions..........

http://youtu.be/h7ekvI-4MAw (http://youtu.be/h7ekvI-4MAw)  OMG!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 12-Apr-15, 09:00:01 PM
http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0 (http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0)


OMG!!! LOOK, Pa! And aren't they HAPPY to see each other!!!!   OH praying for them!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 12-Apr-15, 09:52:02 PM
http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0 (http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0)


OMG!!! LOOK, Pa! And aren't they HAPPY to see each other!!!!   OH praying for them!!

I saw a pic of him on the eggs..hoping for the best here!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 13-Apr-15, 06:50:11 AM
http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0 (http://youtu.be/o_Y_9fha4c0)


OMG!!! LOOK, Pa! And aren't they HAPPY to see each other!!!!   OH praying for them!!

I saw a pic of him on the eggs..hoping for the best here!

I love that sound...


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Apr-15, 11:00:55 AM
Reading posted cam watchers observations on BCAW today..VM (1st new guy) sleeps nightly in the box or seeks refuge there when Pa's around like he knows Pa won't fight in there with the eggs. Today, it sounds like a 3rd male and another female are in the mix.  VV was off the eggs for quite a while, possibly battling with intruder female. VM 2 (2nd male) was in the box for a few minutes.  Posted on stream times VV was off eggs: 22 min, 3 min, 28 min, 20 min, 34 min, and last 54min.

Not looking good for the eggs..what a mess!   :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 15-Apr-15, 01:51:40 PM
There was a lot of battling with 3 or 4 falcons.At this moment it's quiet.It was a warm sunny day here.First summer day of the year.The temps in the 20 C .Tomorrow will be colder ,only 10 C...
Hope for the best.Greetings


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: NCAFalcons on 15-Apr-15, 02:26:40 PM
Reading posted cam watchers observations on BCAW today..VM (1st new guy) sleeps nightly in the box or seeks refuge there when Pa's around like he knows Pa won't fight in there with the eggs. Today, it sounds like a 3rd male and another female are in the mix.  VV was off the eggs for quite a while, possibly battling with intruder female. VM 2 (2nd male) was in the box for a few minutes.  Posted on stream times VV was off eggs: 22 min, 3 min, 28 min, 20 min, 34 min, and last 54min.

Not looking good for the eggs..what a mess!   :(

Yes, it was an absolute mess.

So, VM got displaced by VM2 today.  But I honestly think VM2 came in with a female & tried to take over tower because VV was leaving eggs and engaging.  This evening (box time), there was VV, Pa, Orange band (possible female), and VM2 seen on steam and captured on video. 

I think VV is engaging the female (orange).  At one point, Orange was in the box & VV was on the porch. She would not engage in box, so flew off.  When all were out, we had VV & Pa in the box with heavy bonding and a 3rd falcon on the porch, just watching.. So strange.  I have never seen anything like that before. There's so much more to this brief story and so hard to keep track of who was or wasn't in the box. 

:surprise:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 15-Apr-15, 05:34:03 PM
This is sooooo disturbing. I can't watch it anymore, I don't know who is who anymore!! Sad, very sad.  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 15-Apr-15, 06:26:26 PM
Reading posted cam watchers observations on BCAW today..VM (1st new guy) sleeps nightly in the box or seeks refuge there when Pa's around like he knows Pa won't fight in there with the eggs. Today, it sounds like a 3rd male and another female are in the mix.  VV was off the eggs for quite a while, possibly battling with intruder female. VM 2 (2nd male) was in the box for a few minutes.  Posted on stream times VV was off eggs: 22 min, 3 min, 28 min, 20 min, 34 min, and last 54min.

Not looking good for the eggs..what a mess!   :(

Yes, it was an absolute mess.

So, VM got displaced by VM2 today.  But I honestly think VM2 came in with a female & tried to take over tower because VV was leaving eggs and engaging.  This evening (box time), there was VV, Pa, Orange band (possible female), and VM2 seen on steam and captured on video. 

I think VV is engaging the female (orange).  At one point, Orange was in the box & VV was on the porch. She would not engage in box, so flew off.  When all were out, we had VV & Pa in the box with heavy bonding and a 3rd falcon on the porch, just watching.. So strange.  I have never seen anything like that before. There's so much more to this brief story and so hard to keep track of who was or wasn't in the box. 

:surprise:

I was trying to keep up with all the comments that were being posted but was getting so confused.  It's been some very sad past few years for Pa.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Apr-15, 06:57:39 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20fight%202_zpsvd5fcow4.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20fight%202_zpsvd5fcow4.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20figt%201_zps3jyqys2d.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20figt%201_zps3jyqys2d.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20Fight_zpsnp48faxc.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20Fight_zpsnp48faxc.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20figt%202_zpsfwekzzhs.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20figt%202_zpsfwekzzhs.jpg.html)

This is going on at De Mortel!! 49 minutes ago! It kills me this nest is under so much attack!!

http://youtu.be/DK3IMqXs3sA (http://youtu.be/DK3IMqXs3sA)  One or both will get hurt, this is heartbreaking to watch!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 16-Apr-15, 11:02:12 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20fight%202_zpsvd5fcow4.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20fight%202_zpsvd5fcow4.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20figt%201_zps3jyqys2d.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20figt%201_zps3jyqys2d.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20Fight_zpsnp48faxc.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20Fight_zpsnp48faxc.jpg.html)
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-16%20figt%202_zpsfwekzzhs.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-16%20figt%202_zpsfwekzzhs.jpg.html)

This is going on at De Mortel!! 49 minutes ago! It kills me this nest is under so much attack!!

http://youtu.be/DK3IMqXs3sA (http://youtu.be/DK3IMqXs3sA)  One or both will get hurt, this is heartbreaking to watch!!

Who is this?!  I don't watch..just read some comments.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 16-Apr-15, 12:05:00 PM
They said it was NOT Pa, maybe the 2 other males!! I don't watch, I just ask questions!!  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 16-Apr-15, 12:26:33 PM
They said it was NOT Pa, maybe the 2 other males!! I don't watch, I just ask questions!!  :(
Correct.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 17-Apr-15, 06:51:33 AM
MA (1 e body unringed later ringed on nest), S2 (ringed, shot and later deceased to infection by the green flesh fly) 2 OR (ringed, chased by VV) VV (unringed, chased and killed after a year 2 OR ). VV is still the dominant female although this year they regularly visited by mostly young German females.
PA (ringed no. Partially known) is continuously since 2005 as a territorial male on the tower but this year he has fierce competition from other males and he seems apparently driven out of his territory. As we saw yesterday, these males is not easy and there were right for the camera territory battles.
In a few days hopefully the first eggs, how this strange males respond to the boy? Can the female VV must only carry the boy, experienced male PA provides its prey or go sneak the odd men also bring prey? Exciting developments all! One thing is clear peregrines in De Mortel give us every year new and surprising insights into their behavior and lifestyle.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 17-Apr-15, 08:11:13 AM
Thanks for posting.About the translation for the word boy,In the netherlands they say  "jongen" wich means the hatchlings/chicks.But the word jongen is also meaning boy as in boy/girl  jongen/meisje.
I don't think I made it easyer.....


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 17-Apr-15, 08:35:34 AM
Thanks for posting.About the translation for the word boy,In the netherlands they say  "jongen" wich means the hatchlings/chicks.But the word jongen is also meaning boy as in boy/girl  jongen/meisje.
I don't think I made it easyer.....

Sure you did Carla! Thanks!!  :handshake:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 23-Apr-15, 06:29:14 AM
We have a first hatch..........It 's quiet at the moment.There is a problem with the computer,at the moment no cams working at Beleef de Lente .Also no more livestreaming because someone "missused"
the streaming on another forum.If I am correct.VWG stopped the streaming !
I let you know if something changes.Greetings


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Apr-15, 06:50:01 AM
We have a first hatch..........It 's quiet at the moment.There is a problem with the computer,at the moment no cams working at Beleef de Lente .Also no more livestreaming because someone "missused"
the streaming on another forum.If I am correct.VWG stopped the streaming !
I let you know if something changes.Greetings

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-24%20chick_zps8xe1yqwr.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-24%20chick_zps8xe1yqwr.jpg.html) I was shocked to see this on fb. I never thought the eggs would hatch with all the upset there lately!! I hope this new male will take care of her and the babies!! I heard last week Pa was at the nest again! Is he waiting in the wings??? This is just a sad year for VV and Pa. Praying for some peace!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Apr-15, 06:55:53 AM
The clubhouse and other sites
Clubhouse, "alien" visitors, leftovers, sociability, copyrights, other sites, respect, values, acceptance rules and conditions and ................................................. Volunteers, moderators, BDL, wild birds, VWG Gemert and .... Oh yes the falcons!
First something about volunteers, VBN, Securicon, VWG Gemert and the many hours they devote to BDL. BDL for its many volunteers from January to July backstage entirely disinterested almost daily for several hours trying to accompany the images and processes to allow for you. Why do they do this? At least not for financial gain because of BDL costs money, lots of money. VBN will especially show how beautiful and fragile nature is, attention to birds and their habitats. BDL is a beautiful and good medium to bring the protection work to the attention of a wide audience. But also as a regular visitor to the CH, researchers, summarization, cliptippers, donors make an important and valuable contribution to the success of BDL 2015.
Securicon and VWG Gemert provide the technology they are here all year working on it, what could be better, how we realize that, what materials, what does it cost, radiation, safety, consultation Alticom protection peregrines, when we go up the tower, solve 24/7 interference, radio 538, 600 man-hours per year, etc ... .. To give you an idea what the costs and benefits for the Vogelwerkgroep to realize the peregrine cams and the images I mention here still some amount. 2014/2015: € 4,000.00 Grants, donations € 435.00. Expenditure € 9,680.00. It costs so money, lots of money, but we do like to let you enjoy these images.
The Clubhouse, "alien" visitors, leftovers, sociability, copyrights, other sites, respect, values, acceptance rules and conditions.
Yes why this list of facts? In recent years and this season we get many emails and phone calls from visitors BDL that they do not feel welcome in the clubhouse and will stay away. We see that the CH is dominated by a small group of regular visitors with their own "knowledge". Other incidental visitors experienced that in their ignorance and "defective" knowledge are ignored or are not welcome. This can of course never be the intention for the CH is for everyone! "Stupid questions" do not exist, "knowledge" would indeed have to share with everyone! We also see that the CH by the "permanent" visitors, just as in previous years, often used as a conduit to other peregrine / nature sites or other non peregrine related issues. Requests from our side to respect the forum terms and somewhat ignored after life.
Copyright and why do we so difficult?
We'll even turn the tables, create a website, you are investing € 10,000.00 in equipment and some 10-thousand euros to get images and streaming online on your website. Then you see your images almost instantly "free" to be published on other websites and youtube. Your own clip-maker does not even have the time to publish this through official channels. In fact this morning we saw that our live images were published on another site and it is in the clubhouse almost a true advertising campaign conducted for other sites. There are recent weeks even through BDL CH asked for donations for these other sites. You feel happy and would you accept it? We do not, copyright is violated and we find it disrespectful to all the volunteers and you, the viewer of BDL.
Unfortunately this morning we decided therefore the refresh images can be temporarily disengaged until the transfer of our live / refresh images on other channels would stop.
Needless we want to emphasize that our action had nothing to do with the message of Maaike in CH, Maaike placed in her ignorance and innocence a link to the relevant website which we found our pictures were shown.
Apologies to Maaike that here misunderstanding has arisen.

(Pretty sad someone is using this site for their own personal gain)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 23-Apr-15, 09:20:34 AM
We have a first hatch..........It 's quiet at the moment.There is a problem with the computer,at the moment no cams working at Beleef de Lente .Also no more livestreaming because someone "missused"
the streaming on another forum.If I am correct.VWG stopped the streaming !
I let you know if something changes.Greetings

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-24%20chick_zps8xe1yqwr.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-24%20chick_zps8xe1yqwr.jpg.html) I was shocked to see this on fb. I never thought the eggs would hatch with all the upset there lately!! I hope this new male will take care of her and the babies!! I heard last week Pa was at the nest again! Is he waiting in the wings??? This is just a sad year for VV and Pa. Praying for some peace!

I've been reading comments and seeing pics on BCAW that Pa and VM1 haven't been seen lately but VM2 is now with Vievie.  She has been trying to store some food near her in the box because they felt she needed some close to feed the hatch.  There was a pip last night so hatching was close.  VM2 came in and stole some of her food yesterday which they think she had taken from his cache site. Vievie has been remarkable during this chaos in that she continued to incubate, taking short breaks when she needed, and protecting the eggs from intruders.  I don't know how she's going to manage feeding herself and baby plus keeping the eyas warm unless VM2 steps up to the plate.  I don't watch the goings on but just read posts..too difficult.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Apr-15, 09:33:41 AM
Well remember when S2 showed up, she stole all the food from Pa also. 1 "little guy" died and we were all outraged and blasted S2 for days. Ya know, she finally stepped up and was a great mom. Maybe this guy will learn real quick also! Just a crazy, crazy season there.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Carol P. on 23-Apr-15, 09:40:41 AM
Well remember when S2 showed up, she stole all the food from Pa also. 1 "little guy" died and we were all outraged and blasted S2 for days. Ya know, she finally stepped up and was a great mom. Maybe this guy will learn real quick also! Just a crazy, crazy season there.

I remember that well Donna!  S2 turned out to be a wonderful mom.    :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 23-Apr-15, 11:36:22 AM
Well remember when S2 showed up, she stole all the food from Pa also. 1 "little guy" died and we were all outraged and blasted S2 for days. Ya know, she finally stepped up and was a great mom. Maybe this guy will learn real quick also! Just a crazy, crazy season there.

I didn't watch this site back then but heard about it..hoping this guy does the same. 


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 23-Apr-15, 02:02:46 PM
So far, so good! Vievie fed her babies..Falcon sat on porch outside the box.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 23-Apr-15, 02:46:19 PM
Oh my!  Vievie's being a very good mom.  Hope she hangs tough and gets some help soon.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Apr-15, 02:58:54 PM
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/loza471/Holandia%202/20861296_zps2vmfnvu2.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/loza471/media/Holandia%202/20861296_zps2vmfnvu2.jpg.html)

Posted on BCAW!!   :heart: :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 23-Apr-15, 03:35:22 PM
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah180/loza471/Holandia%202/20861296_zps2vmfnvu2.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/loza471/media/Holandia%202/20861296_zps2vmfnvu2.jpg.html)

Posted on BCAW!!   :heart: :heart:
Thanks Donna , Great Picture  :hatch1: :hatch1:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Nic1Pic on 23-Apr-15, 08:34:46 PM
I remember that S2 decided to feed the babies on the mother's day .

Nicole


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 24-Apr-15, 06:04:48 AM
http://youtu.be/DzL0ez0VUJk (http://youtu.be/DzL0ez0VUJk)


3rd hatched!! Male comes to visit!!

Posted by Coriena


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 24-Apr-15, 08:58:51 AM
Oh my goodness!  Let's hope the male is doing more than just visiting.  A little hunting would be nice.  Vievie is Supermom!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 25-Apr-15, 05:57:40 AM
Four Hatches.......... :hatch1: :hatch1: :hatch1: :hatch1:
VV is doing great..Waiting for 1R to help her.. :whistle:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 25-Apr-15, 06:00:28 AM
Four Hatches.......... :hatch1: :hatch1: :hatch1: :hatch1:
VV is doing great..Waiting for 1R to help her.. :whistle:

She will need the help.......big time. I'm still in shock that any hatched. Hoping for NO more drama!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 25-Apr-15, 06:17:57 AM
And then 1R came in,making noises.
VV kept a prey from the corner and started feeding the Little ones,while he watched,as if to say that's how you have to do it.Then he left.

I'm sure there will be a video later.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 25-Apr-15, 06:55:41 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-25%20male%20De_zpsao3wkrl0.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-25%20male%20De_zpsao3wkrl0.jpg.html) He is taking mental notes!!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 25-Apr-15, 08:39:05 AM
Hope so... :wub:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 25-Apr-15, 09:02:37 AM
She tucked some food under her last night, alongside the eyases, and a lot of the food she's brought in (according to pics & posts on BCAW) has been banded pigeons!  I hope this guy catches on and helps her..she's going to need it!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 25-Apr-15, 12:45:43 PM
http://youtu.be/vqpNdf9JR7g (http://youtu.be/vqpNdf9JR7g)


A simple twist of fate!! VV and new guy mating!!!!! :devil:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 25-Apr-15, 02:18:45 PM
Well.......it's a soap....... :happy:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 25-Apr-15, 02:27:02 PM
Well.......it's a soap....... :happy:

.......and he just stole her food again!!   :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 25-Apr-15, 02:34:03 PM
Well.......it's a soap....... :happy:

.......and he just stole her food again!!   :(
Unbelievable...... :devil:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 26-Apr-15, 07:00:45 AM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-26%20VV_zpsnpgnzibw.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-26%20VV_zpsnpgnzibw.jpg.html)

Poor VV, she has to lay with 4 chicks and food under her so he doesn't steal it. He was just there before she started to feed, trying to look under her for that food!!. Yes, he is young and yes, maybe he will watch and learn what he has to do soon but in the mean time, he is not making VV's life any easier.
I do love how he stands outside peeking in at her.

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-25%20watches_zpsvwgdg6hx.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-25%20watches_zpsvwgdg6hx.jpg.html)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-15, 12:46:20 PM
They said he did bring food to her..maybe he just likes a clean nest area!  :lol:  He does show great interest when she feeds them so maybe he'll catch on.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 27-Apr-15, 12:51:01 PM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/4-27%20VV%202_zpsdabhgstb.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/4-27%20VV%202_zpsdabhgstb.jpg.html)

The 4 babies were left alone for 1 1/2 hours. Very windy in there. When she got back with food, they did not want to eat. They didn't move at all, (I was watching). VV warmed them up a bit and fed them later but the 2 small ones didn't eat. Hope they do OK. He seems to follow where ever she goes and comes back when she has food. He tried to take it from her but she didn't let him. He even tried to sneak under her for some. The wind is horrendous up there today!!  :(


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 29-Apr-15, 04:41:55 AM
Well, it turns out that 1R is VV and Pa's son fro 2013, he is not the male that drove Pa out, it was the first male they called VM. So yeah, this is why he begs for food. It all just makes sense now! Crazy falcon world!

These are all translated by Google:

GREAT NEWS
NEW MALE WITH 99.9 % CERTAINTY OF A CHILD FROM PA AND VV 2013 tw 2O .
THIS IS DORINE Tuesday evening in the clubhouse of BDL PUBLISHED AFTER THEY HAD CONTACT WITH PETER GENEIJGEN .

Oh really ??? That would explain why he begs her !

Would that recognize zn mother ???

And VV would recognize him ??

Pa is driven by VM, not by 1R / 2O ! So maybe he can come back quietly . His son still leave him alone ???



Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 29-Apr-15, 05:42:21 PM
Another male showed up today and there has been battles!  What's next??   Maybe Pa???


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 30-Apr-15, 05:17:39 AM
At this point VM is back.The one who chased away Pa.
20 (R1) spent the night in the box with VV.Don't know where he is now.
I really don't know whats next. :confused:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: valhalla on 30-Apr-15, 07:55:12 AM
Well, it turns out that 1R is VV and Pa's son fro 2013, he is not the male that drove Pa out, it was the first male they called VM. So yeah, this is why he begs for food. It all just makes sense now! Crazy falcon world!

Checked in on this thread as a lark and I find that there is still craziness here.  Not complaining, just commenting on the obvious....


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Apr-15, 08:58:33 AM
No sign of 20 1R, VM steals food from VV also! Bad situation at that nest! VV is a trooper and all she cares about is her babies!! :heart:  (As she should)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 30-Apr-15, 09:56:12 AM
So it was the babies' big brother hanging around, huh?  No wonder all his interest was in food and not in helping out with dad duties.  I hope he's okay, and kudos to VV for being such a great mom so far.  I hope she can hang in for as long as the eyases need her.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 30-Apr-15, 10:39:58 AM
VV was just feeding VM , she must be confused..


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 30-Apr-15, 10:48:39 AM
VV was just feeding VM , she must be confused..

               :stupid:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 30-Apr-15, 03:00:52 PM
They said both males are from 2013! Both want VV to feed them or they steal her food, which happened just a bit ago!! VV is like the best mom in my book right now, she puts up with no mans Cr#p!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Nic1Pic on 30-Apr-15, 03:56:46 PM
You are right Donna. VV is a very very great mom. Nicole


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 01-May-15, 06:39:34 AM
  VV was nice enough to feed the male but yet, he still stole the food right out from under her.  :stupid:

Pic  from BCAW

Really dude, I fed you and still you steal?


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 02-May-15, 06:41:37 AM
http://youtu.be/txjQ_baiNjs (http://youtu.be/txjQ_baiNjs) 

V M not VV feeds the kids!!!! He watched and learned!!!  :heart:

http://youtu.be/MIh4wl-wcD4 (http://youtu.be/MIh4wl-wcD4)

VV feeds VM too!!  What on earth???? 

FB


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: carla on 02-May-15, 07:56:17 AM
Amazing..........Thanks for posting Donna...... :surprise: :surprise:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 03-May-15, 09:18:13 AM
From my archive : Pa ~ 4-3 - '15 .
Spotters spot saw four falcons, including VV
and Dad!

From the site!!    :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 03-May-15, 06:58:29 PM
From my archive : Pa ~ 4-3 - '15 .
Spotters spot saw four falcons, including VV
and Dad!

From the site!!    :o

Somehow I don't think they're all just one big happy family.   :stupid:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 06-May-15, 10:14:56 AM
Looks like the German Female is back and she landed on the grid, VV went after her. Never ends here!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-May-15, 08:07:28 AM
http://youtu.be/dESDCnCbGnY (http://youtu.be/dESDCnCbGnY)

VM (male) feeding the kids!!   :devil:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-May-15, 09:41:36 AM
http://youtu.be/JYzRUaF6JLY (http://youtu.be/JYzRUaF6JLY)

Step-dad feeds and they are at that "GAWKY" stage!!  :wub:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 08-May-15, 11:27:49 AM
What a good boy! That one is huge compared to the others!!  :thankyou:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 08-May-15, 12:50:00 PM
http://youtu.be/G3hQzuhAW5U (http://youtu.be/G3hQzuhAW5U)

Must have fought with this pigeon! Rough Pluck!!!  :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 13-May-15, 06:15:19 PM
(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/5-13%20Demortel_zpscm5c1n4b.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/5-13%20Demortel_zpscm5c1n4b.jpg.html) Look at the size of the FEET!!!!

All 4 were banded today, I can't find their genders yet.


(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/5-13%20VM%20VV_zpsgnk7ocqt.jpg) (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/djweeds/media/5-13%20VM%20VV_zpsgnk7ocqt.jpg.html)

Right now both VM and VV in box with kids!


2 males, one female and a doubter probably also a female but with little feet


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 13-May-15, 06:43:34 PM
So glad this relationship is working out.  I'm sad to think that Pa has been displaced but VM is doing a good job and, for the eyases sake, that's what's most important. Thanks for posting pics, Donna.  I knew they were banding today and saw reports/pics while kids were taken out but didn't know genders. Hope it continues to go well here!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 28-May-15, 12:08:22 PM
http://youtu.be/gPb67GMMi6E (http://youtu.be/gPb67GMMi6E)

Won't be long now!!  :devil:

Posted by Coriena NL


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 28-May-15, 12:17:15 PM
How cute they are as they tentatively eye the sky and the platform outside the box!   :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 17-Oct-15, 07:59:53 AM
Situation
October 15, 2015| Print|Enamel
Gemert, October 16, 2015
 
Situation.
In early October, we have removed the hive and associated structures on the roof of the tower of De Mortel.
This was necessary because there will be placed more antennas in the future. In consultation with Alticom has now decided to put the nest box on the fourth (top) ring. The cabinet will be placed with the opening towards the spotters field.
The cameras move to the fourth ring. On the roof, the angle camera (fourth cam) are replaced by the camera that is now left of the hive and thus remain so young peregrine falcons on the roof can be seen.
The finances allow almost admit it and then we can on the ring insert a new 'third' cam so that we keep two outdoor cams, one left and one right of the nest box. Both cams outside the ring should let us make new brackets again all safety must comply incl. Chemical anchors.
We also look at whether we can binnencam / should replace so it can get into the roof of the nest box. In this way we hope to ensure that the cam can be difficult to follow defecated.    :devil:   This choice also depends on how the image from the "ceiling" of the nest from the nest hole and the roster will be.
Fixing the (old but adjusted) nest box and the materials to be used must meet all safety requirements so it takes some time but it is expected that will be within the next two weeks, all mounting hardware and a new custom fence within that placed the nest box can be on the top ring.
Moving the cams will happen after installation of the nest box.
 
VWG Gemert
Securicon

(Love that they will now have a roof cam so we can watch them running around)  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 17-Oct-15, 10:06:58 AM
 :clap: :2thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 23-Feb-16, 05:48:49 PM
The cams at de Mortel came back up yesterday, but were not yet fully functional.

Today things seem more stable. I caught one very brief visit.

Nice clean nest box for the birds, with fresh gravel:

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-6a_zps974rdki8.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-6a_zps974rdki8.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-5a_zpsirhx8x8f.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-5a_zpsirhx8x8f.jpg.html)

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/ (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 23-Feb-16, 05:50:52 PM
Let's hope for peace at De Mortel this season!! Man, this site poops me out!  :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 24-Feb-16, 01:23:00 PM
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-5a_zpsirhx8x8f.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-23-5a_zpsirhx8x8f.jpg.html)

http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/ (http://www.vwggemertslechtvalk.nl/)

What a beautiful photo!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 29-Feb-16, 11:39:11 PM
Miep (VV) and Spikkel (VM) were both at the nest today:

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-14a_zps6xxgyg9z.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-14a_zps6xxgyg9z.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-15a_zpsnaqd8rke.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-15a_zpsnaqd8rke.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-16a_zps8bvnoaew.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-16a_zps8bvnoaew.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-25a_zps88f4qn5a.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-25a_zps88f4qn5a.jpg.html)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 29-Feb-16, 11:44:24 PM
(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-28a_zpsoorbec38.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-28a_zpsoorbec38.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-34a_zps2m7pcirj.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-34a_zps2m7pcirj.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-44a_zpszn36wscm.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-44a_zpszn36wscm.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-51a_zpsvcjudcyu.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-feb-29-51a_zpsvcjudcyu.jpg.html)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 21-Mar-16, 06:42:28 AM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vce3dl.jpg)

This am!!   :2thumbsup:

Posted by Yvonne on FB


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: patsy6 on 21-Mar-16, 08:14:17 AM
 :clap:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 21-Mar-16, 08:26:26 AM
 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 21-Mar-16, 11:30:54 AM
Congratulations to Miep (VV) and Spikkel (VM) on their first egg!

Great pic, Donna! I was watching Miep prepare to lay the egg, but of course missed the moment.

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-5a_zps10ebb44l.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-5a_zps10ebb44l.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-13a_zpszvictmzp.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-13a_zpszvictmzp.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-10a_zpsyc2eyguv.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-10a_zpsyc2eyguv.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-12a_zpsi4sjoebv.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/February%202016/de-mortel-mar-21-12a_zpsi4sjoebv.jpg.html)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 21-Mar-16, 12:34:43 PM
I've always loved this site.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 02-Apr-16, 08:37:44 AM
http://youtu.be/9iBXiY_5OIs (http://youtu.be/9iBXiY_5OIs)

A bit behind but....4 eggs here also!


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: AlisonL on 03-Apr-16, 01:01:43 PM
Caught a shift change today; the four eggs were uncovered for only a moment.

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-1a_zpsprtyq4pg.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-1a_zpsprtyq4pg.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-4a_zpsddpbtmzz.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-4a_zpsddpbtmzz.jpg.html)

(http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/falcoperegrinus1/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-10a_zpsxjddqotd.jpg) (http://s1195.photobucket.com/user/falcoperegrinus1/media/April%202016/de-mortel-apr-3-10a_zpsxjddqotd.jpg.html)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-16, 10:52:36 AM
Incubation switch between VV and VM  :o (video by Coriena) Hatching should start in a couple days! Lots of intruders being seen again this year.

http://youtu.be/SIUbmerKjas (http://youtu.be/SIUbmerKjas)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 26-Apr-16, 12:50:14 PM
Knew I saw a crack in one egg earlier! Yes, there is a PIP!!  No, no, no intruders!! This is not good!!

http://imgur.com/MFnExMc (http://imgur.com/MFnExMc) Crack in egg


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 26-Apr-16, 12:54:03 PM
Knew I saw a crack in one egg earlier! Yes, there is a PIP!!  No, no, no intruders!! This is not good!!

http://imgur.com/MFnExMc (http://imgur.com/MFnExMc) Crack in egg

Old eagle eye on the job!  :foxbinocs:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-16, 03:20:25 PM
First hatch!  This guy's painful to watch around eggs and eyases..hope nothing bad happens here!

Video by T. Buszko

http://youtu.be/n6SU4cq78E0 (http://youtu.be/n6SU4cq78E0)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 26-Apr-16, 07:25:52 PM
Jeeze, push her off why don't ya!! Is this the intruder??  :o


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-16, 07:34:42 PM
Jeeze, push her off why don't ya!! Is this the intruder??  :o

No, VM, her mate.  He is very strange and sometimes has been known to sleep inside with her at night, from what I've read.


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 26-Apr-16, 07:49:05 PM
Jeeze, push her off why don't ya!! Is this the intruder??  :o

No, VM, her mate.  He is very strange and sometimes has been known to sleep inside with her at night, from what I've read.

Oh my, he is pushy!!! I mean really!!!!  See her face????


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 26-Apr-16, 08:08:48 PM
Jeeze, push her off why don't ya!! Is this the intruder??  :o

No, VM, her mate.  He is very strange and sometimes has been known to sleep inside with her at night, from what I've read.

Oh my, he is pushy!!! I mean really!!!!  See her face????

They say he was like this last yr too.  I don't think we'd ever see DC doing this or Beauty putting up with it!   :lol:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 27-Apr-16, 07:18:17 AM
http://youtu.be/IWrCvTnI8Y4 (http://youtu.be/IWrCvTnI8Y4) #2 is here   :clap: :heart: :heart:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: MAK on 27-Apr-16, 10:30:40 AM
http://youtu.be/IWrCvTnI8Y4 (http://youtu.be/IWrCvTnI8Y4) #2 is here   :clap: :heart: :heart:

 :hatch1: :hatch1: :heartspin:


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Kris G. on 28-Apr-16, 09:11:24 AM
3rd egg has hatched!  :clap:

http://youtu.be/rDDJ8lH9npk (http://youtu.be/rDDJ8lH9npk)


Title: Re: De Mortel - Netherlands
Post by: Donna on 19-May-16, 07:14:50 PM
3 X Female 1 x male, 1RD WIFE 910 grams ane 2TH WIFE 820 grams Anh 3th woman, 705 grams of anj and 4TH MWAS MAN 615 Grams the oldest auh

Congrats!!!!