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Saw this on the D&C website this morning... anyone know anything about it?

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110213/NEWS01/102130346/-1/IRONDEQUOIT/Irondequoit-Bay-eagle-case-tests-land-rights (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110213/NEWS01/102130346/-1/IRONDEQUOIT/Irondequoit-Bay-eagle-case-tests-land-rights)

If Danny thinks I'm ever setting foot in Bazil again, he's got another think coming. The same goes for Mario's, The Crab Shack, and the car wash he wants to build in Brighton.  :thumbsdown:

WHAT SHAKY SAID!!! (And I MEAN those CAPITAL LETTERS!)

Bravo!

Touch the trees Danny and it's off to the Brooke House for me from now on!  Where roughly is the nest?  I would love to get out there with my binoculars.

does the man know just how many birders are out there?  :stupid: If word got out and all birders refused to use his businesses. He would be in a world of hurt. Even folks who aren't into birds are usually into   :heart: Bald Eagles  :heart:
If I lived in your area they would be on my banned business list. I'm just saying BOYCOTT is an option

I am FUMING!  I had heard something about this earlier but seeing this has really aggravated me.  I will never patronize any of his businesses nor would I ever buy a jar of his overpriced sauce that is sold at Wegmans.  (I wouldn't to begin with but I certainly won't now).  He is a disgrace to Italians.  :nono:

Boo Hiss!   :thumbsdown:

I've never been to ANY of his establishments nor will I ever! JACKWAGON! :thumbsdown:

Evidently, there were other environmental restraints that Daniele knew about when he bought the land- according to someone who commented on this earlier article

http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/articles/2010/10/ENVIRONMENT-Mario-Daniele-vs-the-eagles-nest/ (http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/news/articles/2010/10/ENVIRONMENT-Mario-Daniele-vs-the-eagles-nest/)

And just look at that sincere, hurt expression. Bless! Poor unfortunate lad.

Does this geezer have a website on which we could comment? Or... is that a tad too "emphatic" on the part of birders - a "more harm than good" kinda thing?? I always have to stop and think before mouthing off... (not a bad idea for the likes of me...)

A Google search turned up an interesting tidbit. Mario's restaurant is listed as an Italian Consulate.

So let me get this straight.  The Daniele family, which works for the Italian government, wants to sue the citizens of New York for a million dollars because the national symbol of the United States of America is nesting on their property. One has to wonder how they will use the money.

Shaky! Get outa here!!!

So... make a move, do we? Or just let it sit and let the bad publicity take over?

(Wonder if he is pals with Berlusconi, that paragon of virtue... no, I cannot spell that, but I think people get it...)

I'd be honored to have a Bald Eagle at my place of business. Tell me that wouldn't draw attention? What a beautiful sight that would be. Can anything be done?

I suppose you could always call up the local red-blooded American health inspector and ask him to pay a surprise visit to all 3 of their restaurants. (staying out of the part of one that is Italian soil, of course)

I'd be honored to have a Bald Eagle at my place of business. Tell me that wouldn't draw attention? What a beautiful sight that would be. Can anything be done?
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Donna's comment is exactly the right way to go! (Should anyone want to"go" anywhere on this.)

Let Mario's etc. know what an honour it is to host this magnificent bird - which, of course, he does not deserve, but that is another story.

Yes!

Never heard of the guy..he cant be that big he aint on food network! He looks like a real mafiosa though,so be prepared,he'll probably make a few well placed donations and get his way. Like the article says he isnt just after the $60000 for timber but expects to put housing on the site,so then U are into the $$. The case is fairly cut and dry by strictly legal terms. Im not sure where he is in limbo either,there were a few letters to him quoted saying he was SOL. That anyone is even considering his case is sad and pathetic. If he is allowed to carry out his plan,then your environmental protections of the endangered/threatened species act are meaningless,if businesses/owners are allowed exceptions.

We need a spitting smilie for this one!  :tickedoff:

So that's spitting? With a "p"?

Call Danny Wegman and tell him we're boycotting Mario's sauce selling in his store???

Kinda "legalese" but an update nonetheless...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110217/NEWS01/102170328/-1/IRONDEQUOIT/Court-adjourns-couple-s-case-over-nesting-bald-eagles (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110217/NEWS01/102170328/-1/IRONDEQUOIT/Court-adjourns-couple-s-case-over-nesting-bald-eagles)

Have you read the comments section?

Saw they were there, Donna, but have yet to read them - I will! Your take on them??

Hmmm - complicated! I did not know that the DEC had such a bad rep...

Yeah, I read the comments. I love how the Bible thumper with the reading comprehension problem had to put his two ignorant cents in. Mr. ultraconservative feels that NY state tax payers should pay the agent of the Italian government (the Daniele famiglia has a consulate on its Monroe Ave property) a million bucks without even filing a permit so they can turn unspoiled land, which they sat on for 4 years before eagles arrived, into condos and luxury homes at the expense of the symbol of the United States of America. I suggest that he looks up hypocrisy in his Bible and Due Process of Law in his Constitution that he loves to quote so much.  Dumb@$$

I like this one...

"There's an old adage: 'Environmentalism is the last bastion of Communism'. "

I've been called many things in my life, but Communist is not one of them!

DECs reputation-I find most discussions about the DEC here in NY divide between those who see them as an interfering juggernaut depriving people of their rights and those who see them as guardians of the defenseless wildlife and environment in their care.  Very few see any gray area.  There's actually a battle brewing here in Ulster County between the DEC & the NY City Dept. of Environmental Protection.  DEP runs the NYC reservoirs here.  They've been releasing muddy water into the local streams.  DEC is finally (it's been going on since October) stepping in to stop them & fine them for polluting the streams.  Should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Anyway, to the point of the article-it's actually pretty simple.  Daniele can't sue for loss of anything because he hasn't lost anything.  He hasn't applied for a permit to do anything with the land, so saying DEC is taking away his rights is factually untrue because he hasn't asked to exercise any rights to anything. 

What he has is a letter from the DEC saying they most likely wouldn't issue a permit.  Now, if he had applied and was denied he'd probably be blowing his top that they should have told him he wouldn't likely get a permit before he spent all the money on applying.  Just one of those people-it's always someone elses fault that he can't get what he wants.

I think you forgot something Bobbie!   :hysterical:

Did I?? Tell!!

This is a bit of a hijack of this post, but I read something that rang true to this topic.  Being originally a City Girl from Brooklyn, NY I follow a few blogs from my old stomping grounds.  One of them is Backyard and Beyond (http://matthewwills.com/).  Friday's entry recalled a song from my youth-"They paved paradise, put up a parking lot..."  The new theme seems to be they paved paradise, put up a shopping mall.  Anyway, the part I want to share (highlight is mine) is the public comment he will be submitting...

"Four Sparrow Marsh is a small piece of wildness in the city. It’s not a park – you mostly sink into the goo if you try walking there, and you have to watch where your feet go because the place is crawling with fiddler crabs in season. The birds, both residents and migrants passing through during the spring and fall, get most of the attention, but the marsh is also home to much invertebrate life, and fish, amphibians, reptiles, and mammals. Musk rat, for instance. There are also, of course, plants, and lichens, and fungi, components of the whole web of life that we humans are also a part of. As part of the larger ecosystem and life web of Jamaica Bay, which is part of the vast estuary that surrounds New York City, the marsh is vital to the future of the city. As a water filter; as a buffer against the rising waters of global warming; as an incubator of new life, fresh air, rich soil, the miracle of a small bird seen by someone otherwise surrounded by concrete. It’s a place, even with the highway howling nearby, you can hear the wind in the reeds. Why do we still have to defend the obvious, vital need for such things? It certainly shouldn’t be diminished and threatened by another mall and vast parking lot, a speculative project of short-term (and short-sighted) profit, indicative of a development ethos – transferring the commonwealth to private power – that has proved a failure over and over again."

My mistake, I didn't notice your reply. :stupid: :wave:

A local restaurant owner is suing the state DEC over the eagles' nest on his property


http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/A-Bald-Eagle-Nest-A-Landowner-s-Rights/80pGUvwSfketiPnYq6TD1A.cspx (http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/A-Bald-Eagle-Nest-A-Landowner-s-Rights/80pGUvwSfketiPnYq6TD1A.cspx)

Oh boy!!

Whoa! Gotta check this one - Thanks again, D-G!

Good Morning Crew.  Has there been any news on the return of the Irondequoit Bay Eagles in 2013?  I haven't heard or seen anything on them.  Thank you!!