Rfalconcam Forum

This is a view of the Northeast wall of the Crossroads Building this afternoon.  Sorry for the poor quality.  No doubt MAK's photos will be better.

You can see this wall on the view from Cam 4.  That will give you a better idea of its location. 

(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r32/djweeds/falconCR_zps884a0809.jpg)  Thanks Patsy for going out. MAK sent me this pic from her phone. :( So sad whoever it is. I prayed it wasn't Beauty or Pigott but with Pigott not showing up at BS, I'm a bit concerned. If it is Pigott and she and Beauty had an early morning battle, we CAN'T blame Beauty. I know how people get and just want to hate her and I felt the same when Mariah was injured. I forgave and others must also. This is the life of a Falcon, they defend, it's what they do. I hate seeing any falcon injured from a battle but it happens every day in the bird world, we just don't see it like we have here the past few years. I PRAY it isn't Pigott but if not......then who? Sad no matter!

(There may not have been a battle, maybe this falcon was injured by something else and just landed there), we'll probably never know.

The more time that goes by with no sighting of Pigott, the more I fear it is her.  Beauty did - assuming it is female - what she had to do Donna.  I hate the fights too, waiting right now for word over at Harrisburg as there was just a ledge fight there and no one has returned yet.

Thanks for posting, Donna. Something, I don't know what, tells me that these are not Pigott's tailfeathers.  I hope I'm right.

Well, if it is Pigott...and I'm still hoping not...but if a fight between Beauty & Pigott was going to happen and only one survive I'm glad it happened now rather than after the season was already under way.

MAKfalcon (MAK): Yahoo! P flew in and kicked BST off corner and took his place. He is now on the scrape window ledge!

Thanks MAK!!!  :notworthy: :notworthy:

YAY!!!  I was right!!!!   :yahoo:

 :clap: You were!

So glad Beauty and Pigott are ok.  Wonder what happened to this little one

I know this is off the wall and why it popped into my head I don't know. But I wonder if our little guy just couldn't make it through the winter (Archer)  :wub: maybe he tried coming home ... we have to wait and see.

If Beauty did get into a fight with whoever I don't blame her (after last year) of not giving an inch. She gave Unity a break and look where that got her. They had a couple scuffles before the big one. 

We all have our favorites and some get more attached to individuals than others, NONE of us likes  to see the end come for any of the Peregrine's that's a given. Everyone has to realize its part of a healthy population that there will be challenges, winners and losers. That there are more  Peregrines out there is a new dynamic, we never had enough to have so many challenges for territory. There has been a lot of turnover here in southern Ontario too, but there are lots of areas that are suitable habitat(nesting spots) that are yet to be filled. These times will be full of turmoil, its part of the success of the continuing Peregrine Falcon recovery!  We all must remain vigilante, as the recovery continues, new challenges for not only the Peregrines but the watchers must be met. There are a lot of new observations to make and information to process.

It seems like a very strange pose for a peregrine, living or dead, to be in. The proportions seem strange -- where is the tail? -- and there seems to be a light spot on one of the wings. It also seems wider than I would expect a peregrine to be.  It's a mystery.

Paul

All the watchers that were downtown believe it is a peregrine.

I guess that's the price we have to pay for a recovering species. Sigh...

While waiting for photos and videos to upload and for me to write my report I thought I'd post the pic of the bird on Crossroads.

After finding Beauty eating on the Widow's Walk, and letting MAK know where she was, we (Kathy O, Lisa McK, Dana and I) went over to get a look at the bird on the Cross Rds Bldg.  Dark tail and yellow feet for sure, but I cannot be 100% sure it is a Peregrine.  I'm not saying it isn't a Peregrine, it may be.  I hope it's not.  This is just my opinion.  Guess, we'll all have to wait and see.

Very happy to hear that Pigott and BST were seen today.  Thanks for checking on them MAK!   :happy: 

That pic reminds me of the one MAK took of Archer on the B & L back in March of last year.

if it is a falcon can you tell if its an adult or a juvie? Now I'm worried about Orion  :scaredblue:

So anxious to hear any developments about this. Thanks, Watchers!

Any word on the bird?

No word about the dead bird on Crossroads.  :(

June Summers president of Genesee Valley Audubon Society (GVAS) asked me to post the following on our forum for her.


"I know that you have all been waiting to find out about the dead bird that was on the ledge of the Crossroads Building a week ago.  Patience is a virtue some of us need more of. Despite my instructions, several people contacted the management of the Crossroads Building.   The DEC called the Crossroads management and asked to come up to go on the roof.  By the time the DEC technician got there, a few hours later, the manager had changed his mind because, they had spent enough time on the issue. The DEC can force private property owner to allow them on their property.  It seems several people had called before the DEC, taking time away from the manager’s work.   The actions of these people have cost us the chance to find out if this bird was a Peregrine Falcon or if it had a band. 
We need to remember that Peregrine Falcons are Federal listed threatened species and a New York State listed endangered species.  Under both laws, regulations prohibit harassment of live birds and/or possession dead birds for example.   So you see it is not the DEC that does not allow us to run around picking up dead Peregrines, it is the law.   We need to obey the law and let the DEC do their job.  Sometime that requires patience." 
 
June

What a shame we won't find out about this bird!  :(

This is sad but who has the bird? It's not there anymore.  :(

June said in her statement that the DEC can force a private property owner to allow them on the property but I believe that is incorrect. I don't think they can force them which is the reason we can't get a nest box at the Brighton Site. I'll have to find out if this is correct so don't quote me at this time.  :rolleyes:

I wish we could at least have known who this bird was. Very sad that this won't happen.

Typo. No doubt she meant "can't."

I wonder-if they can (if it wasn't a typo), why didn't the official show their authority?  Who would have harrassed the building manager so much after we were all told by June in a previous post to be patient?  Why say the DEC official can go see if the bird is up there and then when the official shows up, change their mind in letting them have access to the roof? Lots of questions. Just a shame that there will never be an answer to this.

Like I said, the bird disappeared! Someone knows something!

Exactly. If the technician had the authority, s/he would have gone up there. S/he didn't because s/he couldn't. Evidence of a typo proven. Case closed.

I heard back from June and she said it was a typo. So the DEC can't force PRIVATE property owners to allow them on the property. Hopefully a lesson was learned here and next time patience will win out. And as Shaky stated - case closed.  :falcon2:

Either that or it's still up there but we'll never know. 

Unless someone wants to do a fly over!

 :spit:

I came over here to the forum to post this as I just read June's post on FB. I admit I love FB & read most of my Rfalconcam news there so I love the Rfalconcam FB page but I think that maybe it should be considered that something like the sensitive issue of this bird should be posted there w/ caution. FB is a whole different world and many more people read it. We have no idea who it was that bothered the building manager before DEC was able to arrive but since it was posted on the FB page anyone could have . I doubt that any of us familiar to the falcons or w/ the DEC would have but maybe I am wrong. Like I said I may be wrong but in my experience w/ FB & my own FB group things sometimes get misunderstood by the wrong people & one has to be cautious about what is posted.

Good point, Braveheart.

What's done is done and cannot be undone. Who ever called was just being a concerned citizen and was not aware of the consequences. I posted that to fb well because people need to be aware of what happens when we stray from the rules. Next time, which I hope never happens, we will know better and to let the authorities handle it.

i agree, Donna.  Sad that this happened but I don't think much else can be done.  The Crossroads folks were very helpful when Calidora was on an adjacent building and workmen were nearby.  They were aware of the falcons and tried to assure both  Cali and the workmen's safety.  Can't imagine what might have caused this if there were inquiries but sad that this has happened. 

Ok, I understand where everyone is coming from. I appreciate that people want to get involved but because this is a sensitive issue we must allow the DEC to handle things.
  
Linda, Junes' email was not posted on the fb page until yesterday-way after the fact so it did not initiate anyone to call before the DEC was involved. Also, we have to report the good and the bad no matter how we feel and fb does get the word out to a vast number of people. It was posted on fb to get the word out so this doesn't happen again.

nycbird, I would love to go talk to the manager but it's not my place. Both June and the DEC warned us local watchers last year about getting too involved with the rescue of Archer. So as June said we must try to be patient in the future or we may never be privy to information that the DEC has about anything that relates to us here in Rochester again.

Anyone who would like to, can private message me and ask any further questions about this matter.
I hope my thoughts on this subject have been taken in a positive way by all.
We must move forward.

I think Linda meant that the actual news of finding the deceased bird should not have been posted on Facebook, not June's message of yesterday.  Perhaps it caused a person who doesn't follow this board and doesn't know the procedure in these types of situations to call Crossroads management. 

that is the way I took it.

TY Patsy that is what I meant. I am very sorry if I caused any trouble.

Linda you haven't caused any trouble at all. I don't always comprehend what I read correctly. It's all good!!  ;)