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Title: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 09:08:19 AM
After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.




Of course, this meant we would need a new one. The problem was how would we acquire it. We thought about making it ourselves or asking for volunteers to contribute their ideas, but we soon realized that could lead to situations where feelings got hurt or worse.

Another alternative was to hire a professional designer to create a logo, but that was a bit beyond our budget.

Then one day, I was shootin' at some food-- I mean I was flying to San Juan and read an article in the in-flight magazine about the concept of crowdsourcing, which wikipedia describes as "the act of outsourcing tasks, traditionally performed by an employee or contractor, to an undefined, large group of people or community (a crowd), through an open call." I researched a few crowdsourcing websites and then made a proposal to the Rfalconcam "powers that be" to pursue this method to come up with a new logo. The proposal was accepted, and we created a logo project on crowdspring.com.

Here is a short video on how it works: http://www.youtube.com/v/X5EbsRrxrBI

For our logo project, we have entered a rough description of what we are looking for and have offered a $300 reward to the artist who designs the logo we like the best. So far we have received about 40 designs and more are coming in every day. We have offered feedback to help the artists make modifications to improve their designs, and we would like to include feedback from the Rfalconcam community.

Here are the logos we've received. The list is constantly growing so check back often.
http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2290056_rfalconcam-logo/

What does everyone think? Please note that we are under no obligation to buy one of these logos. If we don't like any of them, we can walk away and only pay the small listing fee.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lord G on 23-Nov-10, 09:41:53 AM
Lots of interesting and creative designs represented.  Unfortunately none of them seem to have adhered to criteria items 1 or 3 (other than to list the name "Rochester" on a couple of them).  In particular, other than emphasizing "cam" in the name, I don't see any of the logos that say to me "that's a webcam site in Rochester, NY".


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Tokira on 23-Nov-10, 09:49:27 AM
After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.


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What does everyone think? Please note that we are under no obligation to buy one of these logos. If we don't like any of them, we can walk away and only pay the small listing fee.

What a grand idea  :happy:
I've always thought the "kute" logo seemed trivializing to the whole K-and Rfalconcam experience.  It will be very interesting to see what people come up with as a successor :thumbsup:
Carol
WV


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 09:51:59 AM
After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.



OK...I'll say it...I like Kaver in the egg.  Not saying it can't be changed...or shouldn't be changed...or whatever.  Just saying I'm partial to it personally.

Interesting idea...for some reason I'm being drawn to #36 with some modification-the beak feels a bit parrot-ish...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 23-Nov-10, 10:02:45 AM
There are many that do like the current logo, but the majority of us felt a change was needed.  Something more dynamic.    

After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.



OK...I'll say it...I like Kaver in the egg.  Not saying it can't be changed...or shouldn't be changed...or whatever.  Just saying I'm partial to it personally.

Interesting idea...for some reason I'm being drawn to #36 with some modification-the beak feels a bit parrot-ish...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 10:11:21 AM

Just as long as it has a home somewhere as our "Legacy" logo, I'm OK with change.   ;)

There are many that do like the current logo, but the majority of us felt a change was needed.  Something more dynamic.    

After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.

OK...I'll say it...I like Kaver in the egg.  Not saying it can't be changed...or shouldn't be changed...or whatever.  Just saying I'm partial to it personally.

Interesting idea...for some reason I'm being drawn to #36 with some modification-the beak feels a bit parrot-ish...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 23-Nov-10, 10:29:19 AM
Lots of interesting and creative designs represented.  Unfortunately none of them seem to have adhered to criteria items 1 or 3 (other than to list the name "Rochester" on a couple of them).  In particular, other than emphasizing "cam" in the name, I don't see any of the logos that say to me "that's a webcam site in Rochester, NY".

Here is the criteria that Jim is referring to:
http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2290056_rfalconcam-logo/details/

1. World Class Live Action (Webcams)
2. Peregrine Falcon
3. Rochester, New York
4. Fast/Sleek




Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 23-Nov-10, 10:36:43 AM
Of course!!!  :thumbsup:


Just as long as it has a home somewhere as our "Legacy" logo, I'm OK with change.   ;)

There are many that do like the current logo, but the majority of us felt a change was needed.  Something more dynamic.    

After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.

OK...I'll say it...I like Kaver in the egg.  Not saying it can't be changed...or shouldn't be changed...or whatever.  Just saying I'm partial to it personally.

Interesting idea...for some reason I'm being drawn to #36 with some modification-the beak feels a bit parrot-ish...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 23-Nov-10, 11:03:12 AM
This is fun!  Hope more come in. So far I like #40 (best) and #6, both in black. They're sleek and give an impression of swiftness and power. I don't quite see why it's necessary to have the new logo say "Rochester". I liked Kaver in the egg but always thought it was a little too cute, given the predatory nature of a peregrine falcon. 

Dot in P


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: valhalla on 23-Nov-10, 11:20:12 AM
Lots of interesting and creative designs represented.  Unfortunately none of them seem to have adhered to criteria items 1 or 3 (other than to list the name "Rochester" on a couple of them).  In particular, other than emphasizing "cam" in the name, I don't see any of the logos that say to me "that's a webcam site in Rochester, NY".

:ditto: Nice, but not grabbing me, which is a priority for flight today  :devil:

The above said, keeping the website fresh is important in terms of interest and donations.  Maybe a fresh theme? 


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 23-Nov-10, 11:26:49 AM
I sure hope rfalconcam members can also submit ideas for a new logo without being a member of this logo-creating site. We have many highly creative artistic people in this group (definitely not me  :laugh: ) who have a much better idea of the look and spirit of a peregrine falcon.

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 11:58:13 AM
I sure hope rfalconcam members can also submit ideas for a new logo without being a member of this logo-creating site. We have many highly creative artistic people in this group (definitely not me  :laugh: ) who have a much better idea of the look and spirit of a peregrine falcon.

Dot in PA


You know what immediately came to mind when I read this?  The Quest T-shirt pic.  I'm thinking a stylized version of it might make an outstanding logo...



Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lord G on 23-Nov-10, 12:17:08 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

40/41, 38, 32, 28, 19, 17, 6 & 5 are my favorites right now.  41, 32, 28, 6 & 5 got the falcon right & they look the most dynamic, so they're in my top tier.  38 has a nice design, a bit different from the others.  28 is very dynamic and, dare I say, patriotic in its color scheme. Something about 6 really grabs me... I'm not sure the green fade scheme would work well on merchandise, but the simplicity of the design is eye-catching.

I too liked our Kaver in the egg design, and it will certainly be retired with all the respect and gratitude due to it.  It was designed for us by one of the many unsung members of the Kodak Birdcam team at Kodak.com.  I think she did a heck of a job, putting in a lot of hours and submitting several revisions on a purely volunteer basis.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 23-Nov-10, 12:21:46 PM
You know what immediately came to mind when I read this?  The Quest T-shirt pic.  I'm thinking a stylized version of it might make an outstanding logo...


I was thinking exactly the same thing!  Using a globe with a peregrine figure with the appropriate wording to meet the 4 criteria.  

I understand the need to upgrade, but how important is fast and sleek?  Sounds like what the NFL did, and some of my favorites team logos are still the established ones.  Many of the new falcon designs remind me of the Atlanta Falcons logo, because of the black and red.  Will using black and red with a sleek falcon design infringe on the Atlanta Falcons trade dress?

I like the simplicity of #36 and would ask the artist to modify to include the other ctiteria.  I also like the trailing lines to imply speed.

Joyce


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 23-Nov-10, 12:34:48 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

Yes, but not everyone has the software to put ideas into motion.  Is there anything free on the internet that we can use?


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 12:41:13 PM
Maybe a fresh theme?  

Horrible visions of Miss Shields telling me to write a theme.


I want a logo that conveys the essence of the peregrine falcon yet is simple enough to carve into a pumpkin.

http://shakymon.com/halloween.html


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 23-Nov-10, 12:48:53 PM
I have no problem with the original and see no compelling reason to change.  However, I went to the samples looking for something that would be simple and not so abstract that one would have to spend time figuring it out.  None of the current candidates "said"  anything in particular to me.  I guess I'd have to say that the current logo has a history which, for me, trumps any of the current alternatives.
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 12:51:54 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

Yes, but not everyone has the software to put ideas into motion.  Is there anything free on the internet that we can use?

Since the logo that would eventually end up on the Rfalconcam site and merchandise would need to be more than just an idea, any logo candidate that can't meet that criterion would probably be a poor choice.

In other words, if it's too difficult to post the logo on Crowdspring, it's probably too difficult to put it on Rfalconcam.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 12:56:52 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

Yes, but not everyone has the software to put ideas into motion.  Is there anything free on the internet that we can use?

Since the logo that would eventually end up on the Rfalconcam site and merchandise would need to be more than just an idea, any logo candidate that can't meet that criterion would probably be a poor choice.

In other words, if it's too difficult to post the logo on Crowdspring, it's probably too difficult to put it on Rfalconcam.

I think she's asking about graphic design/drawing software-unless there is something built in there & I just haven't gotten there yet...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 01:15:56 PM
I think having your own ability to design/draw a logo is table stakes.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lord G on 23-Nov-10, 01:21:34 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

Yes, but not everyone has the software to put ideas into motion.  Is there anything free on the internet that we can use?

I'd recommend the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/)

It's a very powerful program, on par with Adobe Photoshop, but if you're not versed in its use, you may have a hard time learning what you'd need to in order to build a pro-quality logo in time to meet the submission deadline...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: MAK on 23-Nov-10, 01:26:25 PM
Is everyone going to have a vote for the new logo or just the powers that be?


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 01:34:52 PM
Anyone can sign up at crowdSpring as a designer.

Yes, but not everyone has the software to put ideas into motion.  Is there anything free on the internet that we can use?

I'd recommend the GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/)

It's a very powerful program, on par with Adobe Photoshop, but if you're not versed in its use, you may have a hard time learning what you'd need to in order to build a pro-quality logo in time to meet the submission deadline...

Perhaps the deadline could be extended?


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 02:55:24 PM
Is everyone going to have a vote for the new logo or just the powers that be?

All input from the community is welcome and strongly encouraged. We want a logo that people truly like and don't want something that people can't stand.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 03:01:25 PM
Perhaps the deadline could be extended?

It's a possibility.

BTW, if anyone decides to submit a logo to Crowdspring, please do it anonymously under a username other than what you normally go by. Let the submission stand on its own merit and not on your reputation.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lord G on 23-Nov-10, 03:40:14 PM
BTW, if anyone decides to submit a logo to Crowdspring, please do it anonymously under a username other than what you normally go by. Let the submission stand on its own merit and not on your reputation.

Agreed.  I was thinking the same thing.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 23-Nov-10, 03:46:34 PM
must keep checking ... more entries including #7 with big yellow feet. I like that one, also #6 and #40 both in black, but right now my favorite is #36, definitely a peregrine with a fierce proud look done in clean simple lines that manage to convey grace, power, and beauty.

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: ~Ruth on 23-Nov-10, 04:39:41 PM
so far I like #36 and #32


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: valhalla on 23-Nov-10, 06:18:34 PM
BTW, if anyone decides to submit a logo to Crowdspring, please do it anonymously under a username other than what you normally go by. Let the submission stand on its own merit and not on your reputation.

Agreed.  I was thinking the same thing.

:ditto:


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 06:39:53 PM
Another question-do we have to accept the submission as is or can we request a minor revision either before or after the contest?

And check out a new submission...#45...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 07:05:52 PM
And another question...I'm just full of them today   ;) 

Might I assume that the crowdspring winner (should we choose one) will not necessarily be the final logo? 
Just thinking out loud...maybe another round of submissions with a poll here...A or B or neither? 

Unless, of course, a clear favorite emerges before the deadline...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Donna on 23-Nov-10, 07:08:47 PM
And another question...I'm just full of them today   ;) 

Might I assume that the crowdspring winner (should we choose one) will not necessarily be the final logo? 
Just thinking out loud...maybe another round of submissions with a poll here...A or B or neither? 

Unless, of course, a clear favorite emerges before the deadline...

Ei

Now we can't change all the rules Ei!  ;D  :devil:


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Patti from Kentucky on 23-Nov-10, 07:27:30 PM
Here are the logos we've received. The list is constantly growing so check back often.
http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2290056_rfalconcam-logo/

I like #33


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 23-Nov-10, 07:42:26 PM
Number 6 looks like a football helmet. 
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 23-Nov-10, 08:48:26 PM
We can work with the Crowdspring winner to get minor changes made after their design is chosen. We have 7 days after the Nov 30 deadline to choose a winner. Once a winner is chosen, we have to pay them. At that point we will use the logo we paid for.

If we don't like any of the logos well enough to pick a winner, we simply won't choose one and keep the $300.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 08:58:48 PM
We can work with the Crowdspring winner to get minor changes made after their design is chosen. We have 7 days after the Nov 30 deadline to choose a winner. Once a winner is chosen, we have to pay them. At that point we will use the logo we paid for.

If we don't like any of the logos well enough to pick a winner, we simply won't choose one and keep the $300.

Fair enough.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: cmdr2ca on 23-Nov-10, 10:07:06 PM
#45 is definitely Rochester; but may be rather busy.  #44 is also quite striking.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 23-Nov-10, 11:00:48 PM
I'm liking the 2 new entries......love the backgrounds..Mercury, TS and OCSR! #45 is cool too but what is the M...a split falcon? Scary.

The M is a stylized falcon face with the beak as the middle point...which is why I asked if it can be tweaked if chosen-smooth out the edges a bit...

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Kris G. on 23-Nov-10, 11:19:27 PM
I'm liking the 2 new entries......love the backgrounds..Mercury, TS and OCSR! #45 is cool too but what is the M...a split falcon? Scary.

The M is a stylized falcon face with the beak as the middle point...which is why I asked if it can be tweaked if chosen-smooth out the edges a bit...

Ei

I couldn't figure out the "M" in #45 until you explained it, Ei. Now I can definitely see it and I do like it a lot-also #47 is good with all the Rochester Falcon sites.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 24-Nov-10, 07:59:16 AM
Many more were submitted overnight. Check them out.

http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2290056_rfalconcam-logo/


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 24-Nov-10, 08:07:25 AM
Number 54 is the most visually attractive one but...what is it?  I can't find the falcon in the graphic.  Looks more like an undersea creature.  If it was readily identifiable, I could go for this one.
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 24-Nov-10, 08:35:38 AM
It's an evil falcon mask with tassels.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lou on 24-Nov-10, 11:01:18 AM
Just a request to please refrain from sarcastic comments on people's logo submissions in this forum. Not only are these artists who spent time trying to help us out, they may be members or may have access to the forum. It serves no purpose. We can give feedback but let's do it in a way that helps; in a way that builds up, not tears down.

What say?

Lou



Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 24-Nov-10, 11:07:11 AM
Just a request to please refrain from sarcastic comments on people's logo submissions in this forum. Not only are these artists who spent time trying to help us out, they may be members or may have access to the forum. It serves no purpose. We can give feedback but let's do it in a way that helps; in a way that builds up, not tears down.

What say?

Lou



You are absolutely correct Lou.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Kris G. on 24-Nov-10, 11:07:56 AM
Just a request to please refrain from sarcastic comments on people's logo submissions in this forum. Not only are these artists who spent time trying to help us out, they may be members or may have access to the forum. It serves no purpose. We can give feedback but let's do it in a way that helps; in a way that builds up, not tears down.

What say?

Lou



I totally agree, Lou - there's a lot of talent being shown with these designs. 


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Tokira on 24-Nov-10, 11:17:27 AM
Of the ones available to view this morning, I like #46 the best.  I wonder if it would be proper/feasible to include the Kodak Tower in the background...
Lots of the others show a lot of imagination and work, but (in my TOTALLY subjective opinion of course) remind me of USPS and team logos.
Carol
WV


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 24-Nov-10, 01:51:04 PM
My current favorites are:

#47. I love the Rochester buildings but am not crazy about the orange font. Perhaps the falcon part could be in a brighter color like red and the R and cam could be black.

#45. I'd like it better without the bottom fading out, but the stylized face on the "M" is really cool. I wonder if this would show up well enough on merchandise. 

#36 with the beautiful clean lines. I'd prefer the text at the bottom, though, rather than off to the side.

#40, which for some reason brings Kaver to mind.

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: MAK on 24-Nov-10, 03:18:00 PM
I'd like to add my 2 cents to what Lou said about the comments. These designers have spent a considerable amount of money on not only the software but on the education to make these designs. Furthermore, art is in the eyes of the beholder and constructive criticism goes much further than down- grading comments. Please be mindful of the time and effort put into these logos. Contrary to what some believe, it's not a simple task and not just anyone can do this. You need to have knowledge of typography,fonts,transferability to different applications,etc. If we continue this type of attitude we will scare off people from wanting to design our new logo. After all, the more we have to choose from the better as far as I'm concerned. That said, I'd like to wish everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 24-Nov-10, 06:12:09 PM
Many thanks to all that have taken the time to check out the logos being offered by some very talented artists.  Keep checking for new ones, and let us know which are your favorites.

We really appreciate your feedback.

Carol P. 


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Patti from Kentucky on 24-Nov-10, 06:24:56 PM
I like numbers 55-58, but they're similar to #33, which was my initial preference.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 25-Nov-10, 12:16:23 PM
I've gone back and re-reviewed the entries and tried to narrow them down to instant impact, and what could be used on wearable merchandise, and yet simple enough to be on a lapel pin.

My favorites:

#55 - appeals to me because the logo with and without the words is strong and identifiable. I see the falcon and circle as worldwide, not only as a logo, but an emblem.  I could also see me proudly wearing the logo (without words) as a pair of earrings, or even as a bracelet/necklace charm, etc.  With the words, it is simple enough to not distract from use with other designs, photos, etc.

#47 - The flying falcon and buildings hits home. I can see me wearing this on a shirt, pin, ornament, etc. Anyone walking up to me in Rochester seeing this design will know who are connected to.  I love it as a design, but is it a multiple use logo?

Joyce



Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 25-Nov-10, 01:54:56 PM
I, too, like #54 for the same reasons that Joyce mentions.  Number 47 is certainly personal but, I think, is too "busy" for a logo.  Maybe just one of the buildings?  My favorite for "feel" is still #54, if the image could be re-worked to make it less abstract and more identifiable as a falcon.
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Paul Hamilton on 25-Nov-10, 02:19:13 PM
I wish #54 were more birdlike, because it is such a strong image. 

They are all pretty good, but none of them conveys the idea of a nest cam, which is what Rfalconcam is.  Maybe something with the wings of a falcon echoing the Times Square wings?


Paul



Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Bird Crazy on 25-Nov-10, 02:36:17 PM
I like 47 and I could see wearing it on a T-shirt or On a coffee mug. On my monitor the letters are gold not orange (as someone said above). Maybe the buildings could be a little more faded in the background. Not sure what that would look like.

To me a lot of the rest seem more like a sports team logo. A few are nice but seem more like an eagle than a falcon and no I didn't get the numbers cause the only one that really grabs me is 47


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Donna on 25-Nov-10, 02:40:54 PM
I like 47 and I could see wearing it on a T-shirt or On a coffee mug. On my monitor the letters are gold not orange (as someone said above). Maybe the buildings could be a little more faded in the background. Not sure what that would look like.

To me a lot of the rest seem more like a sports team logo. A few are nice but seem more like an eagle than a falcon and no I didn't get the numbers cause the only one that really grabs me is 47

I agree BC, #47 sure says Rochester and I love how the buildings are faded in the background and are the 3 most frequented, especially Mercury!


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 26-Nov-10, 02:44:40 AM
After many years of faithful service, we decided it was time to retire our Kartoon Kaver in the Egg logo.

I'm just curious as to who these faceless "we" are... :wave:

Anne in Toronto
:penguinspin:


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 26-Nov-10, 09:41:43 AM
"We" refers to the members of the merchandising committee who haven't been able to raise more than $100 in the last 3 years on merchandise featuring the current logo. (In contrast, items without the logo have raised more then $10,000. I'll let you do the math.) The committee members are also regular members of this Forum.  They can speak for themselves.

Also as the chairman of the Website Operations Committee, I can say that the current logo's aspect ratio, scalability, and color scheme limit what can be done to improve the look and feel of our web pages.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 26-Nov-10, 11:18:52 AM
Since changing the logo for any established brand is dicey, I appreciate Shaky's explanation for doing so in this instance.  It will be interesting to see if the change makes a difference in sales.  I admit to having bought nothing with the current logo on it.  With the exception of some Birdorable items, my purchases have been more specific, like my Mariah and Kaver ornaments.  I don't think the images on any of the things I have bought would make good logos.  For me, at least, there is a significant difference between brand identification (logo) and what I choose for personal use or display.  I wonder if that distinction is shared with others and how much it accounts for the $100 vs $10,000 difference in purchases.  In any event, I think we need to keep the purpose of a logo (quick brand ID) in mind as we look for a  new one.
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 26-Nov-10, 11:22:19 AM
Thank you, Shaky, for your prompt and informative answer!

I didn't even know that we had a Merchandising Committee...nor a Website Operations Committee...for that matter!   And, oddly enough, neither do a reasonable number of long-time members I asked...  Hence my "we" question...  Learn something new every day!!  Are you guys so modest, that you don't inform us about all the hard work you are doing on our, the group's, behalf?  Is it necessary to live in Rochester, so that you can actually get together for these committees?  Surely not!  With the communication wonders available to us in this modern age...

Any other committees hiding out there?  Perhaps, to add to an already amazing number of section choices on this Forum, maybe there should be a Committee Section (Website news doesn't really catch ones attention for this kind of continuous hard work!!!), so we can actually see and realize what all these industrious, committed committees/committee members are doing for the good of all of us -- gee, maybe some of us would even like to participate on some of these committees -- we have many talented people in our ranks!!  How are these members chosen?  Do they volunteer -- but surely not, when many don't even know there are committees...  Are they hand picked -- like for a club?  Or maybe many members of this group are all on committees and I, and a number of long-time members, just haven't cottened on...

Well, work hard, you Committee Members, whoever you are!  And a HUGE Thank You! :clap:

Anne in Toronto...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: suem43 on 26-Nov-10, 11:29:21 AM
#55 - appeals to me because the logo with and without the words is strong and identifiable. I see the falcon and circle as worldwide, not only as a logo, but an emblem.  I could also see me proudly wearing the logo (without words) as a pair of earrings, or even as a bracelet/necklace charm, etc.  With the words, it is simple enough to not distract from use with other designs, photos, etc.


I agree with Joyce.  This is a simple, beautiful image which would make a very classy piece of jewelry.  The logo with words is clear and not too busy and highlights the word "falcon" and also includes the word Rochester, which most of the others don't.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 26-Nov-10, 11:37:53 AM
Since changing the logo for any established brand is dicey, I appreciate Shaky's explanation for doing so in this instance.  It will be interesting to see if the change makes a difference in sales.  I admit to having bought nothing with the current logo on it.  With the exception of some Birdorable items, my purchases have been more specific, like my Mariah and Kaver ornaments.  I don't think the images on any of the things I have bought would make good logos.  For me, at least, there is a significant difference between brand identification (logo) and what I choose for personal use or display.  I wonder if that distinction is shared with others and how much it accounts for the $100 vs $10,000 difference in purchases.  In any event, I think we need to keep the purpose of a logo (quick brand ID) in mind as we look for a  new one.
Kapi in VT

I agree with Kapi.  I did purchase one item (a cap) with the logo, but the vast majority of my purchases are to remember a particular bird-like the Quest tour shirt-or a particular memory-like the the M&K standoff mug.  And calendars...and...and...  Most items have the logo, but that wasn't the primary reason I purchased the item.  Perhaps that's a function of the type of group we are-more personally involved with each individual bird than the species as a whole.  Perhaps that's why I'm favoring the design(s) with the Rochester skyline (so far).

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: KapiVT on 26-Nov-10, 11:49:20 AM
That's why I DON'T like the skyline images, Ei.   :) At least, not for a logo.  I might buy a tee-shirt with that image done large but I think it is way too busy for a small logo image on a cap, for instance.
Kapi in VT


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 26-Nov-10, 12:00:20 PM
That's why I DON'T like the skyline images, Ei.   :) At least, not for a logo.  I might buy a tee-shirt with that image done large but I think it is way too busy for a small logo image on a cap, for instance.
Kapi in VT

You might well be right, Kapi.  I still don't know where I'm going to land yet on my favorite design.  I'm just thinking out loud why logo items aren't more popular overall with this group-perhaps more so our personalities & group dynamics than the logo itself.

Ei


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Annette on 26-Nov-10, 12:35:33 PM
My favorite is picture #59 with that landing falcon.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 26-Nov-10, 06:18:04 PM
Well, I'll speak up for the Merchandise team, of which I am the chairman.  Way back, I pulled together a very talented team of Rochester folks to work on a project I had thought had potential to raise a lot of money for the Rfalconcam.  You may all remember it.

We reached out to the Rochester Falcon Watchers to collect bits and pieces of yellow masonry that had fallen to the ground.  Such important pieces of Rochester Falcon history.  Do you remember now?

If you guessed BRICKS FOR CHICKS, you are correct.  This and M&M's for M&K raised a lot of money, with your help.  We thank all of you that purchased a piece of Rochester Falcon history of their own.   :clap:

The other team members are Kathy O, Dana, Marcia, Carrie, Lou & Shaky.

We, the Rfalconcam Merchandise Team, are currently offering for sale, besides what is listed on "The Scrape", Christmas Cards, Note Cards with a design by Dale Pesmen (thanks Dale), and Lou's post cards.  All proceeds go to the running of RFalconcam.

This won't be the first time we've changed the logo.  Those that have watched from the beginning know that the current Rfalconcam originated as the Kodak Birdcam, which had their own logos that changed each year.  Please help us choose our new logo by continuing to leave feedback on which ones you like and the reason why.  Suggest changes.

Anne, you asked if non-Rochester folks had volunteered to help out.  The answer is yes.  Shaky put out a call on the forum for volunteers for various things we needed help with and many answered.  Thanks to all of you that answered the call. :2thumbsup:

Be on the look-out for more calls for help.  We are very appreciative of all of you that volunteer to help.  Thanks!

Carol P.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 26-Nov-10, 06:54:30 PM
Wow, there are a few more very interesting logos...I'm enjoying the competition and creativeness!

#62 is a modification of #28 and I'm impressed with the change.  I like it now because even though it is a sleek and modern abstract, I can picture our falcons with that particular posture.

In my opinion, logos are accents to the merchandise, and not the reason a purchaser buys the item.  The logo shouldn't overpower the purchase, but ID the source of the merchandise and subtly promote the organization.

I too have bought several items over the years, but the only one I have with the current logo is the Quest design on a shirt.  Even though it is big, I didn't mind it because it acts as the Q in Quest.

As I mentioned before, I like simplicity, and I am hoping rfalconcam merchandising committee will come up with some jewelery items as well, and if it can incorporate the logo, all the better.

Once a final winner winner is chosen, is it possible to negotiate with the submitted artist to use one of their designs for a lesser fee on specific merchandise?  I think #47 and #69 both work well in that situation.

Joyce  


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Tokira on 26-Nov-10, 07:56:57 PM
I've just looked them all over again tonight, and still really like #47.   I must confess, the "cute" logo  didn't make me want to wear it, it's just TOO cute as a signature for Rochester's fierce birds... I think #47 says so much more, and can see it looking great on a T-Shirt.
Carol
WV


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 26-Nov-10, 10:01:42 PM
Well, I'll speak up for the Merchandise team, of which I am the chairman.  Way back, I pulled together a very talented team of Rochester folks to work on a project I had thought had potential to raise a lot of money for the Rfalconcam.  You may all remember it.

We reached out to the Rochester Falcon Watchers to collect bits and pieces of yellow masonry that had fallen to the ground.  Such important pieces of Rochester Falcon history.  Do you remember now?

If you guessed BRICKS FOR CHICKS, you are correct.  This and M&M's for M&K raised a lot of money, with your help.  We thank all of you that purchased a piece of Rochester Falcon history of their own.   :clap:

The other team members are Kathy O, Dana, Marcia, Carrie, Lou & Shaky.

We, the Rfalconcam Merchandise Team, are currently offering for sale, besides what is listed on "The Scrape", Christmas Cards, Note Cards with a design by Dale Pesmen (thanks Dale), and Lou's post cards.  All proceeds go to the running of RFalconcam.

This won't be the first time we've changed the logo.  Those that have watched from the beginning know that the current Rfalconcam originated as the Kodak Birdcam, which had their own logos that changed each year.  Please help us choose our new logo by continuing to leave feedback on which ones you like and the reason why.  Suggest changes.

Anne, you asked if non-Rochester folks had volunteered to help out.  The answer is yes.  Shaky put out a call on the forum for volunteers for various things we needed help with and many answered.  Thanks to all of you that answered the call. :2thumbsup:

Be on the look-out for more calls for help.  We are very appreciative of all of you that volunteer to help.  Thanks!

Carol P.

I am so very sorry I questioned anything.  That I seemed to assume that everything ran along smoothly, without the hard work of the few.  Thanks to all who support this forum, do the hard background work.  I'm sure you find it fulfilling and that we certainly benefit from your work.  I'm sorry, in this format, that I am sometimes slow in catching what is going on...  I will sit back and learn and enjoy what I can, where I can.  Please keep up with all your amazing efforts, what you see as best for the group!  :2thumbsup:

Best wishes,
Anne in Toronto


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Carol P. on 26-Nov-10, 10:08:50 PM
I am so very sorry I questioned anything.  That I seemed to assume that everything ran along smoothly, without the hard work of the few.  Thanks to all who support this forum, do the hard background work.  I'm sure you find it fulfilling and that we certainly benefit from your work.  I'm sorry, in this format, that I am sometimes slow in catching what is going on...  I will sit back and learn and enjoy what I can, where I can.  Please keep up with all your amazing efforts, what you see as best for the group!  :2thumbsup:

Best wishes,
Anne in Toronto

Anne - Please don't apologize for asking.  I just wanted to let you know what was happening from the Merchandise Team side of things.  I really hope you will consider volunteering in the future.  We can definitely use the help.   :happy: 

Take care,
Carol P.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 26-Nov-10, 10:48:31 PM
Thank you, Shaky, for your prompt and informative answer!

 Is it necessary to live in Rochester, so that you can actually get together for these committees?  Surely not!  With the communication wonders available to us in this modern age...
 

Most live in Rochester. Things like assembling merchandise, packaging merchandise, mailing packages, picking up checks in the mail, depositing checks, etc. require being in Rochester. So does organizing fledge watches and attracting local sponsors. Also some committee members don't have computer access at home, and this necessitates face-to-face meetings.

The same is not true for people who work on the website. Since they don't need access to local resources, they can live just about anywhere.


Any other committees hiding out there?  

You'll have to ask the Committee Hiding Committee.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 26-Nov-10, 11:23:32 PM
I am so very sorry I questioned anything.  That I seemed to assume that everything ran along smoothly, without the hard work of the few.  Thanks to all who support this forum, do the hard background work.  I'm sure you find it fulfilling and that we certainly benefit from your work.  I'm sorry, in this format, that I am sometimes slow in catching what is going on...  I will sit back and learn and enjoy what I can, where I can.  Please keep up with all your amazing efforts, what you see as best for the group!  :2thumbsup:

Best wishes,
Anne in Toronto

Anne - Please don't apologize for asking.  I just wanted to let you know what was happening from the Merchandise Team side of things.  I really hope you will consider volunteering in the future.  We can definitely use the help.   :happy: 

Take care,
Carol P.

No, Carol, I wouldn't dream of volunteering.  I really wouldn't be good enough to work with any of you experienced folk.  I have now learned my place.  No, I will stay quiet and out of the way.

A in T


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 26-Nov-10, 11:26:42 PM
Thank you, Shaky, for your prompt and informative answer!

 Is it necessary to live in Rochester, so that you can actually get together for these committees?  Surely not!  With the communication wonders available to us in this modern age...
 

Most live in Rochester. Things like assembling merchandise, packaging merchandise, mailing packages, picking up checks in the mail, depositing checks, etc. require being in Rochester. So does organizing fledge watches and attracting local sponsors. Also some committee members don't have computer access at home, and this necessitates face-to-face meetings.

The same is not true for people who work on the website. Since they don't need access to local resources, they can live just about anywhere.


Any other committees hiding out there?  

You'll have to ask the Committee Hiding Committee.

Sorry, Shaky.  I should have realized how talented and hard working you are!  My error.  I will be quiet and ask no more questions.  Please forgive me for being curious!  I should have known better!!  Please keep up your really fine and hard work!!
A in T


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Bird Crazy on 27-Nov-10, 12:15:16 AM
I still like 47 but the version 72 would be doable, not so busy a background but still recognizable. (for those who thought it was too much) But there is something about the facial markings that do not seem quite right, in my opinion. What would it look like with the falcon being the same as in 47 (silhouetted)? I like how the colors are on the word to make falcon stand out.

60 attracts my attention too.

Some of the others though nice do not say falcon to me, they could be eagles, hawks any bird of prey. I'm not trying to insult anyone but the falcon has to be a falcon. then the rest of the design will fall into place.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 27-Nov-10, 09:10:32 AM
Anne, I think all of us not in the inner circle of this group were curious about why we need a new logo. I can't see any harm in your questions and I would bet my life that NOBODY took offense at what you said. I'm sad that you feel you should keep your opinions and questions to yourself, or that you don't fit in here anymore for whatever reason. You said you have "learned your place", but I think your place is right here chiming in with any and all questions and comments. I personally have enjoyed your comments for years and want to continue hearing from you.

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Kris G. on 27-Nov-10, 11:12:53 AM
Anne, I think all of us not in the inner circle of this group were curious about why we need a new logo. I can't see any harm in your questions and I would bet my life that NOBODY took offense at what you said. I'm sad that you feel you should keep your opinions and questions to yourself, or that you don't fit in here anymore for whatever reason. You said you have "learned your place", but I think your place is right here chiming in with any and all questions and comments. I personally have enjoyed your comments for years and want to continue hearing from you.

Dot in PA

                                     
                         :good post:


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Aafke on 27-Nov-10, 11:28:03 AM
No, Carol, I wouldn't dream of volunteering.  I really wouldn't be good enough to work with any of you experienced folk.  I have now learned my place.  No, I will stay quiet and out of the way.
Anne

Sorry, Shaky.  I should have realized how talented and hard working you are!  My error.  I will be quiet and ask no more questions.  Please forgive me for being curious!  I should have known better!!  Please keep up your really fine and hard work!!
Anne in T



Anne, you don't have to apologize or to to stay back. You did nothing wrong, you only asked a question. It's impossible to know everything that happens in this group.
When things are not clear, you can always ask about it and there will always be nice and friendly people who wil give you an answer.
greetings Aafke


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: birdmusic on 27-Nov-10, 01:40:13 PM
Nothing really grabbed me until today when #74 came in - the one on the bottom without the city scape.  The font is nice, the colors are good, it shows motion, and adds a touch of humor - the falcon coming in for a landing and tilting the "R" - rockin' Rochester, as it were.

The upper one with the black background is even better, but I'm not sure how that would work in all the places it would be used.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 27-Nov-10, 04:40:27 PM
Wow! logo #77 really rings my bell too - lots of motion and a very detailed falcon. I like it on all the colors. #73 bottom (no buildings) is the same falcon plus "Rfalconcam" text, which I prefer. But in that one, the bird is not as detailed, maybe because it's a little smaller with the text included???  If this design is popular with everyone, before making a final choice, perhaps the committee should talk with a graphics art professional as to which one or which color would print out best on clothing and other merchandise. 

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Tokira on 27-Nov-10, 06:35:44 PM
Anne, I think all of us not in the inner circle of this group were curious about why we need a new logo. I can't see any harm in your questions and I would bet my life that NOBODY took offense at what you said. I'm sad that you feel you should keep your opinions and questions to yourself, or that you don't fit in here anymore for whatever reason. You said you have "learned your place", but I think your place is right here chiming in with any and all questions and comments. I personally have enjoyed your comments for years and want to continue hearing from you.

Dot in PA


Count me in on this one  :2thumbsup:
Carol
WV


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Bird Crazy on 27-Nov-10, 06:38:29 PM
Great falcon on 74 and 77


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: rssport on 27-Nov-10, 08:56:59 PM
I'm leaving this up to you guys. Can't see any detail, every time I try to use the spy glass
it shows a lock. If I do get it to enlarge all I get is the bottom of the box with the number.
You can't scroll up to see the rest. ???
It's all yours folks.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 27-Nov-10, 09:24:19 PM
I'm leaving this up to you guys. Can't see any detail, every time I try to use the spy glass
it shows a lock. If I do get it to enlarge all I get is the bottom of the box with the number.
You can't scroll up to see the rest. ???
It's all yours folks.

I haven't been using that feature-same thing happens to me.  What has worked is to click on the logo-it brings you to a page with the all logos in a strip at the top and the one you selected slightly larger below.  Single click on the slightly larger logo should bring up a large version of it where you can see the detail.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: rssport on 27-Nov-10, 10:15:41 PM
Thanks, :bow:
I'll try that. Have seen the strip but never saw a larger insert.

Rita


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Vandrefalk on 28-Nov-10, 06:09:36 PM
Boy, this is going to be hard -- there is a lot of talent out there! :2thumbsup:

A lot of them look like sports logos to me and I think some of them with the city background are a bit busy -- and were the decision made to go with a city background, shouldn't the Kodak Tower be in there somewhere?  It has such a strong place in our history.

Having said that, #79 appeals to me -- there's something reminiscent  of the Kodak colors we used to see -- I like the falcon.  It's also small enough to be on a lapel pin and would look good on a shirt.  I like the artist's other submissions as well, but think I like this one best.\

I'm sure glad I don't have to make this decision -- and have so much respect and admiration for all of you working this site and making RFalconcam happen!

Also glad Anne asked her questions as I think we all understand a bit more what keeping this site entails!

Vandrefalk/Karen R


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Joyce on 28-Nov-10, 07:19:56 PM
Glad I'm not the one that has to make a decision.  Love the look of the falcon with the R in it's talons (#77).  That's really cool.  I still can't chose a favorite!

Question - Does anyone know why some logos are now withdrawn that were up there before?  Are they withdrawn by the artist or by crowdSpring?

I noticed many forum members are leaning towards a more traditional-type logo. Does fast/sleek mean abstract or modern to a graphic artist?

Reposting the link so you don't have to back to the first page: http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2290056_rfalconcam-logo/


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Lord G on 28-Nov-10, 07:57:42 PM
I don't necessarily mind that many of the submissions look like sports team logos.  After all, we're going for dynamic, and sport teams embody that characteristic. 

My favorites of the entries tend toward the more abstract.  #55 (and its various cousins) are clean, elegant and simple.  They'd reproduce equally well in stamped/formed jewelry, clothing or stationery.  They would also lend themselves to being used as embossed elements.  The artist has shown us what they'd look like on a webpage banner, business card, as a watermark, etc.  I also like #6 for the same reasons (despite it looking like it could live on the side of a football helmet).  It's not as kinetic as #55 but the falcon head silhouette is spot-on.  It would certainly work well as an insignia.  It's simple enough to be used in a variety of applications (ornaments, watermark/embossed, pins/jewelry, web banners, etc).

For pure dynamism, I like 19, 28 & 62, all the product of the same artist. These are very sports-like, but they convey a definite sense of power and motion.  They'd work well as graphic elements, whether on clothing or printed material; perhaps not so well as pieces of jewelry though.

For whimsy and daring it's hard to beat 54, even though I think "dragon" rather than "falcon" when I see it.  The design is reminiscent of Anglo-Saxon or Celtic interlaced art, which I greatly enjoy and admire.

As for the rest, there is something to like in just about every one of the designs. I don't envy the Merchandise Committee for the tough job they're going to have whittling down the choices (or choosing none of the above).  Best of luck to them and to all the talented artists who rose to the challenge.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 28-Nov-10, 09:54:41 PM
I am going to resubmit, what I posted earlier and pulled out of anger, apparently misplaced.  I am having some trouble with emotions...  My problem, one which I am doing a lot to remedy as it benefits no one, especially me.  I don't have time to see if there are any new submissions...  I am busy trying to repair some bridges I've done some damage to...  But I will reply to that later...  Here is what I wrote a few days ago, for what it's worth...

There are several good, clean logos submissions, but I'm having difficulty getting a really clear picture of what the bird represented is... Some are too generic, some look like parrots... Did you indictate that the artists could be contacted to give them a chance to rectify the lack of clarity? I do like several of the designs, as they give tight, clear information that is definitely the basis of what comprises a good logo...
My choices would be 42, if the bird could look just much more "speedy falcon-y"... I'm not an artist, but could the head be flattened a bit to give more speed to the bird...or the wings be tucked back a little...with lines indicating speed? This bird looks like it is out for a Sunday fly...not a bad thing, just not quite how I picture the fastest bird in the world...   But at least this design has the necessary clarity of a logo! The same with 39 -- it has good indications for speed, but the bird head isn't really "peregrine" -- I see that the same artist who did 39, also did 25, which has a much better head, but no speed... The eye is great... And I like the emphasis on "falcon" by employing two colours in the name -- but I prefer the blue utilized in the old Kaver logo...

I guess I'm leaning towards, in my very humble opinion, a melding of 25 and 39, to get the best really fast peregrine, with the two-tone name adding clarity.

Just a couple of thoughts... Anne in Toronto


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 29-Nov-10, 08:01:42 AM
I see that time is running out for logo submissions, a little over 11 hours left. There are some nice new ones this morning to look at. It is going to be very hard to decide. Will the committee do the choosing from the feedback posted by various members?

ANNE,Anne, I'm so glad you have thought things over and are ready to give this forum another try.  :flowers:

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 29-Nov-10, 08:24:30 AM
Question - Does anyone know why some logos are now withdrawn that were up there before?  Are they withdrawn by the artist or by crowdSpring?

I noticed many forum members are leaning towards a more traditional-type logo. Does fast/sleek mean abstract or modern to a graphic artist?

They are withdrawn by the artist. Each artist determines what sleek/fast means to them.

I am very pleased to see the variation in interpretation. I doubt that we falcon watchers would have come up with some of these great designs.



There are several good, clean logos submissions, but I'm having difficulty getting a really clear picture of what the bird represented is... Some are too generic, some look like parrots... Did you indictate that the artists could be contacted to give them a chance to rectify the lack of clarity? I do like several of the designs, as they give tight, clear information that is definitely the basis of what comprises a good logo...


Yes, we have left feedback for each artist on their designs and most of them have made modifications to address our concerns.

We'd obviously like a logo that conveys the sense of a peregrine falcon -- speed, agility, beauty, etc. We also want the logo to be eye-catching and attractive with simple lines and bold colors. These last two attributes will make the logo easy to reproduce at varying sizes on a variety of media on many different background colors. The logo should also work well without its accompanying text. (e.g. the old Kodak K, the Xerox X, Apple's apple, AT&T's sphere, Nike's swoosh, McD's arches) When the logo is rendered with text, the artist is asked to provide a font the goes well with the design. Finally, the logo should work well in a variety of aspect ratios from long narrow banners and bumper stickers to more square spaces like mugs, baseball caps, and buttons.

I see that time is running out for logo submissions, a little over 11 hours left. There are some nice new ones this morning to look at. It is going to be very hard to decide. Will the committee do the choosing from the feedback posted by various members?


Once we have all the entries, we will narrow them down to our top 2-5 choices unless there is an obvious winner, which is highly unlikely. Then we will open it up to a public vote.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dot_Forrester on 29-Nov-10, 09:55:57 AM
These logo submissions are all fantastic!  How sad that only one can be chosen. Of the new entries, I like:

#107 - sleekly abstract and very powerful
#99 and #97 (look alike to me) Like the 2 colors and the flow of the falcon
#94 - sleek, abstract, very different. Love the facial expression

Dot in PA


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Nov-10, 11:04:12 AM
Something about #90 (and its color variations) is attracting me. 

And I keep going back to 55 (and all its color variations).

And 46-though it might be better as a design in its own right-might lose some important detail in logo size.

And 45 for its cleverness.

I love the regal portrait quality of 36, though probably not what we're looking for exactly.

This is a tough one...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Nov-10, 11:07:03 AM
Something about #90 (and its color variations) is attracting me. 

And I keep going back to 55 (and all its color variations).

And 46-though it might be better as a design in its own right-might lose some important detail in logo size.

And 45 for its cleverness.

I love the regal portrait quality of 36, though probably not what we're looking for exactly.

This is a tough one...

Oh...and 74/77...can't forget that one...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Kris G. on 29-Nov-10, 12:14:55 PM
My favorite so far is #73.


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Dumpsterkitty on 29-Nov-10, 03:53:54 PM
I like the concept of the eye in the background on the header band on #109-but it's not a peregrine eye.  Looks more like an owl to me...


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Patti from Kentucky on 29-Nov-10, 07:30:59 PM
Of the latest ones submitted, I like numbers 95, 99, and 113-114


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Bird Crazy on 29-Nov-10, 08:42:03 PM
I still like 47 and 72, 55 is good


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: anneintoronto on 01-Dec-10, 02:39:14 AM
Shaky >>Yes, we have left feedback for each artist on their designs and most of them have made modifications to address our concerns.
Shaky >>We'd obviously like a logo that conveys the sense of a peregrine falcon -- speed, agility, beauty, etc. We also want the logo to be eye-catching and attractive with simple lines and bold colors. These last two attributes will make the logo easy to reproduce at varying sizes on a variety of media on many different background colors. The logo should also work well without its accompanying text. (e.g. the old Kodak K, the Xerox X, Apple's apple, AT&T's sphere, Nike's swoosh, McD's arches) When the logo is rendered with text, the artist is asked to provide a font the goes well with the design. Finally, the logo should work well in a variety of aspect ratios from long narrow banners and bumper stickers to more square spaces like mugs, baseball caps, and buttons.

Thank you very much for the above information, Shaky.  I really appreciate your clarification and extended information!!

Shaky >> Once we have all the entries, we will narrow them down to our top 2-5 choices unless there is an obvious winner, which is highly unlikely. Then we will open it up to a public vote.

THAT would be really appreciated and welcomed, Shaky!  I would really like to be able to be part of that decision, as I'm sure lots of other members will be!

Thanks for all your hard work!
Anne in Toronto


Title: Re: A New Logo
Post by: Shaky on 01-Dec-10, 08:02:21 AM
Shaky >> Once we have all the entries, we will narrow them down to our top 2-5 choices unless there is an obvious winner, which is highly unlikely. Then we will open it up to a public vote.

THAT would be really appreciated and welcomed, Shaky!  I would really like to be able to be part of that decision, as I'm sure lots of other members will be!


There will be an announcement on Imprints soon.