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Just found this breaking news over at CMNH and thought you guys would like to know!!

C&C called me and said the female is black over green 95V and she is Seneca from the 2008 Rochester nest. Unfortunately, they could not get the male's bands today.


Here is the link to the thread!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.10#post_50224

If this is the same bridge, it's nice with a stream where Seneca was spotted. Cleveland Ohio, I guess.

Here's where she was spotted...under the bridge.  Hope I'm getting all this right.  :stupid:

Looks like it could be the same bridge...nice place!

Wow, what fabulous news!  Just...Wow!  Uh oh...here goes the sap again... :crying:  :wub:

It just keeps getting better and better!   bguitar

 :mbanana: bguitar :clap: goodnews: :dance1:

Oh this is so exciting to know where our falcons have gone.  Does anyone know if this bridge is an established nest site?

Thanks Carly for letting everyone know.

~Joyce

I am sitting here at work with tears in my eyes!!!!!!!!!  Mariah spent a lot of time with Seneca and when Seneca would stoop, it was like seeing her mama!!!

This is fabulous news.  She's alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Wonderful news!!     :clap:

Thank God my girl made through her younger years. She was my favorite from that season (sorry Quest)  :mbanana: bguitar

 :newyearbd: It is so wonderful that Seneca is thriving and has found herself a mate and a nesting spot!!!

Dot in PA

 :clap: Incredibly Wonderful News!    :clap:

That are great news!  bguitar  :2thumbsup:
And she has a mate!  :clap:

 :2thumbsup: Thank you so much Carly. I've wondered if we would ever know where Seneca went. She is my very favorite! I have always felt blessed to have seen her streaking thru the gorge. Hopefully we will have many M&K grandbabies!!!    :yahoo:

Posted on the CMNH board last night by Chad + Chris:

After we talked to you, Liz, we were able to confirm that it's Cheyenne here with Seneca. Saw them copulate three times and found a ledge (that looks like it could be a potential nest site) where they were going up and doing their courtship displays. Liz-- Thanks again for letting us know that you saw them here and for finding out the ID of the female so quickly after we told you the band numbers.

We'll get pics on soon.

Love the name combo, Seneca and Cheyenne.   :heart:

Me, too!  Perfect Combo!   :heart:

 :thumbsup:

hope we get to see some pictures.

It looks like the possible nest ledges are over the shore.  Some bridges are dangerous places to fledge from, but this one looks like a perfect spot.  I wonder whether peregrines have nested there before?  Anyhow, wow!
  
Paul

 :clap:

   The area surrounding the bridge reminds me of the gorge.
   Maybe it reminds Seneca of home.

With Chad and Chris on the case, I have no doubt we'll soon having some stunning pictures of Seneca & Cheyenne.   :notworthy:

I can't wait!   :clap:

I emailed Chris (we were on email a lot when I used their photo as a model for the drawing for Linn Pierson's plaque at Palisades) and asked if they had photos, etc. - and for details. I will post if I hear from her.

I was thinking the same thing. :wave:

WOW what great to hear this  bguitar
I went through my pictures to remember more about her.
Good memories and so happy to know she is seen and with a mate :wub:

Thanks Dale!   :happy:

Posted on CMNH today Wed Mar 24 2010, 12:17  by Chris & Chad:

"After we talked to you, Liz, we were able to confirm that it's Cheyenne here with Seneca. Saw them copulate three times and found a ledge (that looks like it could be a potential nest site) where they were going up and doing their courtship displays. Liz-- Thanks again for letting us know that you saw them here and for finding out the ID of the female so quickly after we told you the band numbers.

We'll get pics on soon."

OMG!  I feel a road trip coming on...heading south this year.

~Joyce

Do we know where Cheyenne is from? Ancestors?

Is it only possible to post a picture from the web, and not from one's own computer?

DianaR

Diana-Cheyenne was hatched in Akron OH 2008...the CMNH 2008 Akron thread is here (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?25644.0)

Parents Bandit & Chesapeake  



Juvie pic of Cheyenne by Lisa CMNH forum

To insert a picture embedded in your message (link above) it must be a link from a website.  You can also attach a picture under additional options (below).

Thanks, Lisa.

For non-Rochesterians, here is a picture of one of the bridges over the Rochester gorge of which Seneca may well have a memory - and I think it looks a lot like where she is now.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/creativeapps/slideShow/Main.jsp?token=537187800905%3A526262526

or, shortened version,

http://bit.ly/bgVgjX

Yes, you can attach pictures from your computer. See the Frequently Asked Questions board, 3rd and 4th topics from the bottom.
 
http://rfalconcam.com/forum/index.php?board=11.0

He is very handsome :)

Thanks, Shaky.

HERE SHE IS!!!!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.20#post_50337

http://tinyurl.com/yhb2ec2

Keep scrolling down; after all the copulation shots and shots of Cheyenne there are nice portraits of Seneca alone. Thanks, Chad and Chris!!!

Fabulous pictures!! So good to see one of "our little girls" and what a great looking man she chose! Love the shot of Seneca looking straight ahead; reminds me of Mariah looking in the windows at Kodak. Thanks for sharing.  :star:

Chesapeake!  A fabulous name  :clap:  Good Stock  ;)

FABULOUS!!!  Kids - such energy  ;) :heart:

How great is this!? I'm overwhelmed with emotion .    :yahoo:

Great News,

I'm so HAPPY

Greetings Carla :sunshine:

Oh, my goodness!  Seneca is GORGEOUS!  and that Cheyenne, what a cutie.   :heart: :heart:

I do feel the urge to take a road trip.   :clap:

I am speechless...think I need to take stock in Kleenex this year  :crying: ...WOW!

Amen to the road trip Carol.. :thumbsup:

Costco, BJ's or Sam's club... :tease: I'm with you Ei!

Costco - you can use your AMEX and get triple points!   ;)

She is just beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And looks right into the camera!

We trained her well.

Remembering Seneca...here is a photo of her as a juvie on 7/19/08 when she was flying the gorge close to the watchers.

The photos posted on CMNH by Chris & Chad are fantastic!  Oh, this is so exciting to have such great photographers documenting one of our babies.

I look forward to Chris and Chad capturing the corresponding Adult image (full-sized).  Thanks, Joyce - she was so reluctant to leave the box. 

She was very reluctant.  That summer, Mariah seemed to be really having fun with the juvies.  She took so much care with Seneca, flying with her and tending to her.  I still remember the day at the bridge when Dan S. said he thought he was watching Mariah flying and in a stoop-- and found that it was Seneca. 

She was a beautiful juvie and now a gorgeous adult!  We got over to watch the juvies a few times in '08 and it's wonderful knowing that she and Quest have done well in their 2 years.     :clap:

Oh, I don't know, I call that youthful enthusiasm!  :devil:   :2funny:

she is beautiful. I remember she wouldn't leave the playpen and Kaver went and had a talk with her. Next thing you knew she was tearing up the sky. I always think of her as Daddies little girl.

Carol P - is my memory correct (it often isn't) that it was Seneca who sat on the pedestrian bridge, just outside the railings, watching the people go by only inches away? So you and I, wanting to show her that she should not trust people, ran towards her to scare her away - and people thought we were just awful!

DianaR

Wow! A couple of days late to the party (that's what happens, when I'm not reading the posts regulary!), but this is such wonderful news as I'm "somewhat" attached to Seneca from 2008!

I've created a little collage showing pictures from Seneca at banding day 2008, finally (f)ledging and now as an adult in Cleveland. She really grew up and is now a beautiful falcon!

Cheers
Baerbel

Baerbel,

Beautiful!!!!!  Thank you!

 :wave:   Very nice collage!    :clap:    :thanks2:

I can't remember (my memory's fading too!).  So many of the young fledglings get a little too close to people and not all people should be trusted.   :surprise:

OMG!!!  I just saw the pictures of Seneca.  She is as dark as her dad and has her mama's fierce look.  Looks like she got the best of both Mariah and Kaver.

Actually, the episode on the bridge, where the juvie sat on the bridge, just behind the blue "fence" on either side of it, as everyone walked by, most of them not even noticing her, was probably longer ago than 2008, so I guess it may not have been her. I thought I had a photo of her looking between the blue bars, but I can't find it.
DianaR

 :clap:

  She sure is a beautiful gal !!!

I’ve always said that a Peregrine Falcon is a gift that blossoms before our eyes. From the wet, pink almost featherless newly hatched chick to the white fluff of the eyas to the awkward pin-feather covered youngsters to the dark & milk chocolate brown patterns of the fledgling. At that point, you almost get a glimpse of what they will look like when they lose their juvenile feathers. But it is a true honor to see the young fledgling we watched grow before our eyes transformed into their adult plumage. Then do we see the parents we adored.   :falcon2:

 :bravo:

   Carol, beautifully said.     :crying:

:ditto:  Mega Bravo Dittos!  :ditto:

Sharing one of the most exciting falcon watches some the local watchers experienced with Seneca on July 7, 2008...


M/K - Seneca's Super Sensational Stupendous Stoop!

I was out very early this morning with Dan S, Jeanne, and Larry O.
It was mostly quiet. There had been a few food drops by Kaver, who
was on fledge watch himself, while Mariah was elsewhere. While Kaver
was relaxing on his lazyboy, I mean his lilies at the top of the
Kodak Tower, Seneca decided to take a spin around the tower, in her
turbo-charged body. You would never guess that this young Peregrine
was the last to fledge.

We all stood up, tracking Seneca's (at the time we had no idea that
it was Seneca) flight with our binoculars. She was so graceful in
the early morning, very hazy, very warm morning air. Slowly
floating, flicking a wing here, adjusting a tail feather there,
watching the gorge below, seeing something.

Something caught her attention in the gorge below. We watched in
astonishment as she folded her wings against her body, tucked in her
talons, aimed herself downward, and SHE STOOPED!

For a moment, we all questioned ourselves. Was this a fledgling or
an adult? No way was a fledgling stooping like that. It had to be
Kaver coming off of the lilies and passing by his daughter. No way!

We watched in amazement as she stooped from the tower into the
gorge. None of us were able to see what she may have been after.
All I saw was a gull trying to get out of her way.

She pulled up and landed beneath the bridge. Larry, Jeanne, Dan and
I ran down to where we last saw her. We were able to get a very good
view of her and she abliged us by showing off her pretty silver
band. Yep, this stupendous stoop was done by young Seneca.

I have NEVER seen a fledgling/juvie, stoop like this before. It was
incredible!

Carol P.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vgKglZb5Do&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vgKglZb5Do&feature=related)  Little Seneca getting banded. BY: Baerbel   

 :crying: Oh she's so cute and noisy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ddG0hg2oy0&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ddG0hg2oy0&NR=1)  and Quest for those who haven't seen this.

and our own Beautiful Mariah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OIgLt5G0DU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OIgLt5G0DU&feature=related)

Lots of great new photos up this morning of Seneca and Cheyenne and some video as well!!  C&C think she is close to laying eggs  :clap:

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.40#post_50770

Why do I get a blank page when I click on this link? I cannot access this site. I have before.  :crying:

Try to refresh it maybe?  Sometimes depending on speed of your connection, it doesn't load properly.  I get that sometimes too.

No I have cable, it loads fast but this says done but nothing is there. Something is blocking it. I have Firefox and never had a problem with this site. Oh boy.

Donna:  Can you get to the main page of the site: http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/news.php

If you can, click on Forum under the main menu; then select Cuyahoga County Falcons

and then Brookpark Rd. Bridge 2010  for Seneca's site.

It's working OK for me in firefox, but I just did a new upgrade last night v 3.6.3...

Anyway-until you get it figured out, a sample...

   

   

She really is a beautiful medley of both her parents!

Nope, can't get that either Carly. I don't know why...I always got on that page. I upgraded to the new Firefox and still nothing. All it says is Done with nothing there.

Have you tried clearing out your cookies &/or restarting your computer?  I'm noticing my cookies are getting clogged up faster with all the nest activity and browsing the new main cam archive...

I am getting the same blank page/done on that site. Have never had any problems before. I, too, am on Firefox 3.6.3 (on Mac) but think my problem started shortly before that upgrade.

I miss checking that site and seeing C&C's photos.

Have you tried IE?  I hate to use it, but sometimes that can be a clue as to what's wrong...

I can't get it in Firefox or IE.  This is what comes up in IE:

"The website declined to show this webpage
 HTTP 403  
   Most likely causes:
This website requires you to log in.
This error (HTTP 403 Forbidden) means that Internet Explorer was able to connect to the website, but it does not have permission to view the webpage."
 
 

May have figured out a possible issue -- the problem shows up on my desktop Mac with processor that is NOT Intel-based. But the site comes up fine on my MacBook that is Intel-based.

Well, it's now beyond what I know to do, then.  I tried logging out to see if it changed anything and I'm still able to see the pics using firefox

Meanwhile, I'll share what I can until the blockade is figured out.

Ledge display part 1 (http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu342/CnCSal/?action=view&current=BPledgedisplay1.flv)

Ledge display part 2 (http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu342/CnCSal/?action=view&current=BPledgedisplay2.flv)

Ledge display part 3 (http://s662.photobucket.com/albums/uu342/CnCSal/?action=view&current=BPledgedisplay3.flv)

Thanks Ei...I'm really mad cuz I can't get the page...Not even in IE...comes up blank page but says Done at bottom. Cute videos....do they have a cam up or will we just rely on peeps for pics and videos?

Well, looks like you're not alone-I just have no idea why.  I'll post a note over there later...what version of windows do you have?  You were able to see the page when she was first ID'd, right?

No cam-and I doubt there ever will be one-they've chosen a ledge right next to a road into NASA!  Chad & Chris had to get permission to go there

Yes Ei, I saw it all before when it was first posted. Had no problems. No matter how I try to get on the page, it just won't work. This is really strange. I'm using windows XP. Thanks for trying.

Donna-Bill uses XP and I have Vista and we can see the site from both our computers.

Donna-Bill uses XP and I have Vista and we can see the site from both our computers.

I'm bummed!  :(

I can see it and I surf with a dinosaur. Poor Donna its probably just some glitch.  :confused:

Yeah but.....I don't want a glitch BC!  I'm being punished for something.. I've been reading that forum for a few years now and always got right on. Should be a Nilla Wafer left on there from last time.

As long as someone posts updates here on Seneca, I guess I'll be OK.

You KNOW we'll do that...though you are our A#1 surfer & news finder...just can't have it that you can't get in there.  I posted a note...I'll let you know if I hear anything

That's Ei....ur da best!   :handshake:

OK so this is what comes up when I click on view page content! See it says there's no info on this page.

Computers can be SOOOO frustrating... :computer:

I work on one all day trust me they do it on purpose to drive humans crazy  :silly:

I think she resembles her daddy.     :clap: 
 

From the CMNH forum...Chad & Chris...

The news here today is... Seneca and Cheyenne have their first egg! We couldn't see it until Cheyenne rolled it out from behind the build-up of concrete in the middle of the cubby. And not long after that they had to start defending again. Joyce, you mentioned past Easter battles in Rochester-- well, we had one here today. They drove out a first-year female with Cheyenne taking on the main role as attacker. We'll describe more and post some photos tomorrow night (as it's too late again)!

CMNH forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last)

I wish I could access the site :(

Oh, no.  That's not good.  I do hope it ends peacefully.  Too many battles taking place.   :(

Clean your cookies and temp files, Donna - I'm in from the office no problems (IE 7, fyi)

Never thought that the Easter battles would continue with a Rochester Falcon and not in Rochester.  

This are wonderful news!  bguitar

Oh I hate these battles!!!  Glad that Cheyenne helped!!  And our baby is having a baby :heart: :heart: :heart:

 :yahoo:    :heart:     :thumbsup:

 :wub: :heart: :wub: :heart: :wub: :2thumbsup:

I'm glad everyone's OK & so happy about her first egg!   :clap:

Just posted by Chad & Chris on the CMNH forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.60)

Thanks to you both, Dumpsterkitty and Joyce-- appreciate you providing a link to CMNH for this great website that they host!

Catching up from yesterday-- here are some pics of Cheyenne and Seneca with their first egg. The first shot shows Cheyenne on one of his favorite perches to the right of the nest as Seneca is in the nest. We didn't know there was an egg up there and couldn't see it here, but then Cheyenne flew up later and rolled it out from behind the concrete mound (in the next four shots). The last two shots show Seneca with the egg...



Cheyenne with the egg
   

   

Seneca with the egg
   

Oh my!  She looks so much like Mariah!

Great pics and thanks for posting, as I can't see the page. I'm kind of worried about the nest...there's really no gravel and nothing to hold the eggs in place. This is concerning, especially for a new mom like Seneca. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks Ei

It certainly isn't ideal, but it looks like there's enough stuff up there to keep the eggs from rolling too far.  Remember, before the neat little nest boxes we're used to they regularly nested on almost bare rock ledges-still do in most cases-we just don't get to see it.

C&C posted a LOT of pics tonight of the fight with the sub-adult...I'll just post 2 here...

Cheyenne giving the intruder a good whack today



Seneca chasing off the intruder from near the nest ledge

C&C are doing a great job photographing Our Little Girl.  :clap: Does someone have the main cam image of Mariah talons down encouraging Seneca to get out of the nest box?

Was it this picture?

Absolutely!  :2thumbsup:  Thanks Annette :thanx:

Seneca's baby pic. Banding day.

Posted by Chad+Chris Fri Apr 09 2010, 07:09

Just a quick update here-- Seneca had a second egg as of Tuesday. As of Thursday they have been incubating. There could be another egg in there, but we have only been able to see two because of the concrete mound in the cubby. Hopefully they have more than two eggs-- sometimes a pair in their first year of nesting will have a smaller than average clutch. We'll get some more pics on sometime over the weekend.

This is such great news!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

aaaahhhh  :wub: :wub:

Chad and Chris are the bestest to keep us informed with such great photos  :clap: :2thumbsup:

New pictures on the CMNH Forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.90) from Chad & Chris of Seneca & Cheyenne

And for those with viewing problems...

"Joyce-- we only know that there are two eggs for sure. We could see them when they were a little more in view to the right of the concrete build-up. They are incubating directly behind the concrete build-up and even at our highest viewing point, the concrete blocks the eggs, even during an exchange when they are off of them.

We've been able to see alot at this nest site, so we're going to post a bunch of pics. In this first sequence, Seneca is coming out of the nest cubby with food that Cheyenne brought in to her... "

    



Cheyenne having a bath in the river



Taking off after his bath



And still some time for  :wub:

And a few more...Seneca went down to the river for a bath too...

   

 

Thanks so much Ei for posting these pics and news of Seneca. I'm so happy she is doing so well and bathing to boot. I still can't get on the site, so by you sharing what is there is great.  :notworthy:

Beautiful pictures.

They certainly are B-U-TEE-FULL!!!  Ei has posted a comment to the forum about viewers not being able to get on to the site.  I also followed up with the Admin. Maybe they have experienced this with other members.

Don't you just love the falcon bathing?

~Joyce

Thank you Joyce, I'm not sure why I can't access the site. Never had a problem before.

I still can't get in, either.  I was hoping someone was working on it!

Doing a bit of catch up and Seneca in the water, if nothing else, confirms that she's one of our swimming falcons!   :clap:  She must be young because  :wub: would be the last thing on my mind after all that cold water  :laugh:

YAY!

Isn't Seneca her mother's daughter!   

Compliments of Chad+Chris - CMNH Forum Thread (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383)

"And we'll end with a few shots of Seneca in the sycamore, and then taking off..."

Ahhh, she's gorgeous and a dark head like her poppy! Thanks so much Joyce.

 :wave:   Oh yeah!    :thumbsup:     :heart:    :thanks2:

She really did grow into a beauty.  Bet she also got her Mama's protective gene, too!   :clap:

Saw these pics posted on CMNH Forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last) by Chad and Chris on Sunday: Aerial food exchange between Seneca and Cheyenne (for those who can't access the site).

These picture series is great!  :bow:

Gorgeous shots of a couple of gorgeous Peregrines!   :clap:

They are a gorgeous pair and I always thought Seneca was so striking as a juvie-so dark like Kaver.  My favorite pic of her is by Lou which he put on one of his great postcards.

She is beautiful!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:  And she picked a wonderful mate just like her daddy :heart: :heart: :heart:

Amazing photos! Larry O

I agree....Whoa!

Four masters of their respective fields --

Photography -- Chad and Chris
Food transfer -- Senaca and Cheyanne

Paul

The photos from the CMNH site (http://http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last) are fantastic.  Here is another one of my favorites...

Chad and Chris at the CMNH website have posted some fantastic new shots of Seneca and Cheyenne. If you can access it, it's worth the visit.  Some of the pics show the "remarkable" flying ability of Seneca (she had very good teachers!) when they sighted a cat near the scrape! It also shows closeups of their 2 eggs.

I still can't access that page or the Cleveland falcon page. I don't get it. I've been on those pages for years til now.  :(

Not all the pics, but a nice selection for those who can't access it...thanks to Chad & Chris & CMNH (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.110)

Here's a sequence where we tried a different angle to try to see the eggs a little better. Even while they were off briefly we could only see two for sure, so maybe that's all. Here Cheyenne flew up, but then he took off before Seneca. She took off after him and then Cheyenne went back up on the eggs a short time later. In the second to last pic it looks like they are getting ready to race...

And here's Cheyenne flying with food (what looked to us like a yellow-bellied sap-sucker)-- he flew by the nest a couple times, probably wanting her to fly out for a food exchange. But then he landed, ate some, and flew out again before taking it up to the nest cubby...

   

   

And here's Seneca flying out with it...

 

Here's a sequence where the pair saw a cat walking on the bank under the road fairly close to the nest site and both started "intimidating" the cat into leaving the area. They showed their remarkable flight abilities, especially Seneca with some upside-down flying as she kept her head and eyes fixated on the cat. Neither of them came very close to the cat, as he couldn't have gotten to the nest ledge, and he escaped untouched. Here's Seneca displaying a graceful flip manuever (notice her big crop)...

   

 

Cheyenne mostly circled and cruised around, but dove at the cat as it was departing (couldn't capture it, though), and then darted back in to the nest...

 

Same here Donna.  It's a bummer. 

Oh Ei, thanks so much for posting these pics. They are amazing shots. Chad and Chris are awesome. 2 eggs is enough for 1st time mom.

Missed a set...I added a PS to my post over there-again...maybe someone will have some idea why you all can't read the board...
She flew to a tree to eat, and here she is finishing off a foot, followed by a beak cleaning rub...

   

   

No idea.  Like you, I used to go to that site all the time and I've been a member for a long time.  I was able to get in when it was first announced that Seneca was there.  Saw the pics and the posts and then wham!  The next time I tried, I couldn't get into the site.  Go figure.  Very frustrating.

I was able to browse the CMNH forum for a short time this evening as a guest, but as soon as I tried logging in the site shut down on me.  Very odd.

It's an epidemic!!

I can't get on either.  I was able to look at it a few weeks ago but couldn't remember my password.  It didn't recognize my email to send me another password and when I tried to register new, it said the email was in use.

I did try writing to the person in that organization but have heard nothing back
Very frustration

I heard back from Cecilia (via private message) and she said:

"If someone is having a problem, they can send a PM to me with the details and we'll see if we can figure out if it's at our end or theirs.  At the moment, I'm not having any problem."

I don't have her email, so I am writing her back as a private message explaining that no one can access the forum to send her a PM.  I am forwarding Carol and Jim's email addresses, hoping she will get in touch with one of you as a representative of Rfalconcam so someone can explain the problem, and find out why our members can't access their site.

Joyce

Jim might be the best person to talk to Cecilia.  He's a computer techie guy.  Me, all I could tell her is that I can't get onto the site.  LOL   :2funny:

That's what I would say, Joyce.

Plus, what the heck is a PM?

Prime Minister?   :rofl:

I do think a PM is a private message.

Count me in with those who can't get into the site.  I could when they first announced about Seneca, but now there's nothing but a blank page.  I even tried getting in through the back door through the museum's site, but no dice.

I don't belong to the CMNH forum so I just view as a guest and I can get on with both our computers and even my Ipod.  Very strange that so many are having problems.

Same here, I saved the link to where it started with Seneca and have always gotten it ok.  Wonder why some can't  :stupid:

 :ditto:  I'm having no trouble getting it.

When I first tried to log on with my username, it failed. I was told, in a very small, almost unnoticable message in the left sidebar, that my cookie was possibly corrupted.  I cleared the cookie, reset my password, and got in fine.  Everything works fine now, whether I am a guest or logged in.

Paul

Oddly I can get to Chris and Chad's pictures that Dumsterkitty is posting on this forum.  Those thumbnails link directly to the CMNH website.  But when I try to backtrack with the URL by removing the parts of the URL that refer to the location of the photos) I get the same blank screen.

I pinged the web address www.falconcam-cmnh.org and got back its IP address, but the ping request times out.  A Tracert request to either the URL or the IP address fails as soon as it leaves my local network and heads out to the broader Internet.  To me that means the DNS servers are working ok, but there might be a problem with the ISP serving up the actual pages for the site.  That being said, I'm not well-versed in internet protocols, so I don't have a solid idea of what the problem might be.  I do know its affecting multiple computers on both home and work networks, and that clearing my browser's cookies and cached documents didn't restore my ability to access the site.  Still just getting a blank white page.

UPDATE:  on IE I'm getting an HTTP 403 error.  I think this is a problem on their side, not ours.  I can get to the main CMNH site (www.cmnh.org), but the 403 error occurs as soon as I click the Falconcam link...

Jim,
I sent your comments and the link to our topic by PM (private message).  Hopefully CMNH can check into this.
Joyce

Um, me too, I get the same as you Jim...blank page that says done on FF and on IE, I get the error code 403. I cleared my cookies, history, even tried Google chrome....nada...nothing..can't even get to the sign in page. I give...I'll just read it here and thank everyone for posting about Seneca and Cheyenne.  :crying:

I've never joined that message board.  The link I use goes right to Seneca's page and has always worked........

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.10

I joined a long time ago but have no clue what my user name is or password.....I just read and don't post. Like I said, never had a problem until "Seneca". I still can't get on the Cleveland site either....are they connected?

I should have noted I've also tried it on Firefox, IE 7 & 8, and Google Chrome (running on WinXP Home, Professional and Windows 7 machines).  I used to have Opera installed on one of my computers but ditched it some time ago, so I can't test on that browser...

Jim - I just clicked on the link you have to the Cleveland Museum, and then I clicked on the falconcam, and got right to it.  I am not part of the forum there, but I just viewed the live pics of the nest and the incubating family.

I have been in contact with two of the Admins on the CMNH Forum.  I found out that if you get a blank page or Error 403... forbidden, it might be a lockout.

If someone tries unsuccessfully to log in too many times, the CMS will automatically block the IP number of the end machine to protect itself from what it perceives as an attack.

Is this only happening with people who are CMNH members trying to log in?  I told them that Jim P & Carol P were CMNH members, and was able to give them enough information so the Admin could remove the block.

Admin wrote...I don't know whether either of these people forgot their login or password or what. They tried to login multiple times with either the wrong login or the wrong password. This caused them to get locked out.  We have removed the blocks, so they can both try again. If either of them has forgotten their login or password, I can help with the login, but not the password. Carol Phillips' is CarolP.

I saw that Jim P successfully logged in after his IP was unblocked.  He told me later that he forgot his password. 

Donna, Carol, Jeanne, Birdmusic, and anyone else - if this is the same issue, please send me a "personal message (http://rfalconcam.com/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=14)" with your CMNH username.  I can get your IP address from our members list and will forward it to CMNH to unblock it.

Once they unblock your IP, you should be able to login.  If you have the correct username and don't have your password, you can click on "forget password" and reset it to enter the website.  (As MAK noted in her post, you may have to delete your cookie).

~Joyce

 

YIPPEE!!  Thank you, Joyce, for taking the time to hunt someone down at CMNH! Don't know why they never responded to my original report, but that's water under the bridge...

Joyce......did you help me? I can actually get on the CMNH forums now. I  :notworthy: to thee. Just for the heck of it, I tried just now and it opened. Thank you from the bottom of my  :heart:.

 :2funny: :clap: :bow: :2thumbsup:

I'm in now too!!!!  Hooray!  Thanks to everyone who worked on this!    :clap: :the_wave:

Yay BC Now if I can only remember my username and password. I'm afraid to try as I'll get locked out again.

Was everyone able to get into the site? I put Carol and Jeanne in touch with Cecilia. I hope she was able to help! I didn't know who else couldn't get in. ???

 goodnews: So glad hear you can get into the CMNH site!!!  I heard from Cecilia a little after 7:00 Friday evening and she asked if all of my friends are able to get on this forum again.  They had been working on the issue since Wednesday.  I knew they were successful with a getting a couple of people into the site, and I just wrote her back confirming the names of those who posted here.

CAROL P, JEANNE & MARDEAN - please let us know if you can view the site now.  I do have Cecilia's email if anyone needs to contact her directly.

Joyce

Yes, I'm back in to CMNH, too. Hooray :clap:

Thanks, Joyce and everyone else who helped.

I just clicked on the link to the site and got in!!  Thank you Dawn and Joyce!!!!! :2thumbsup:

Hi! Glad everyone has gained access again.  I sent Cecilia a big thank you from all of us. 

If you are not a member, I suggest you become one even if you don't intend to post.  Just don't forget your username and password. This way if there is a problem, CMNH can take care of it much quicker.

It is nice to interact with other watchers where our peregrines have taken up residency.  So glad Cleveland has a group like this.

Joyce

P.S. Donna, Birdmusic - they have no record of your being a member.  Jeanne - I'll send you confirmation of your information on file.

Thanks Joyce...I know i signed up a while ago...but OK, just did again and it worked. UR SUPER!

By the way, on a more positive note...new photos up tonight of your girl and her beau over at CMNH  :wub:

According to Chad & Chris, no hatch yet as of yesterday but some BEAUTIFUL pictures of Seneca over on the CMNH forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.160)!

Here's a taste...

pretty funny one of S. with her head buckled on upside down.
I bet the tag is showing in the back, too.

If only the camera was slower we'd have had a full on whirly head!

She reminds me SO much of Mariah here...

This is the first set of photos (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?52253.post) I've ever seen of a wild peregrine stooping, compliments of Chris & Chad again, from May 8.  

I'll post one, but there are four all together, and they almost look photo-shopped because Cheyenne is such a compact shape and so sharply in focus.



Simply fascinating! (And intimidating if you are the target! :scaredblue:)

 :wow:   Every shot from those guys is fantastic!     :bravo:

Haven't seen a bad one yet....WOW!!!  :o Love her swimming, so cute.

Looks like the shape of a stealth fighter jet!

I told my friend it looks like a stealth bomber.    :wave:

Way to go, Seneca!  Last to fledge, but certainly a survivor!  You go, girl!  :-)

She is just beautiful!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

oh yes  :wub:

and lucky for us she was smart enough to get herself some great photographers too.  :notworthy:

Chad + Chris confirm THREE  eggs in the nest!




I told C+C that I think there are FOUR.  When I changed the zoom level on my screen, I see a tinge of rose farther back with a rounded shape in the still photo (where Cheyenne is off to the right). Then in the last photo I still see a rosy rounded form to the right of Seneca's foot.  I checked out their video that parallels the still shots, and one egg looks farther out than the others.  You can where Seneca's foot is in relation to the egg in the video, and in the still shot that's the tinge of rose I see.

Video: Seneca & Cheyenne Have Three Eggs (http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid662.photobucket.com/albums/uu342/CnCSal/BPexchangeb4hatch.flv)
Does anyone see what I see?

Check out all the pics at 2010 Brookpark Rd. Bridge (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last) on the CMNH forum.

I see what you're talking about Joyce.  Good eyes!    :bow:

New pics posted on CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last) late last night.

No hatch yet.  Joyce...check out the commentary!

Oh Boy, FOUR EGGS getting ready to hatch.  I thought it was cute...Seneca jumping the gun and bringing food to the eggs.  Maybe she was thinking, "Just in case they hatch while I am gone, I'll bring food back to the nest first before I cache it away."

We might have parallel hatching - Auntie Seneca in Ohio and her nephew Archer in Rochester.



Seneca's white spot over the cere is parted in the middle by some dark feathers...



Check out more of Chad and Chris' photos (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.180#post_52460).

I just read that Seneca and Cheyenne have their first hatch! Pics are supposed to be posted over on their forum soon.

 :yes: :yahoo: :heart:

Photos are up of the new little one now  :wub:

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.190

and a totally WILD set of photos of Cheyenne escorting a young eagle out of the area.

Wonderful news!  I am amazed at how big our 2 have gotten already when looking at Seneca's newborn!   :clap:  I am very happy  :heart:

I am thinking that Quest is a very modern career woman with no interest in settling down to marriage and a family at this point. 
Kapi in VT

A girl after my own heart  ;)

maybe she's thinking "they put this thing on me to see where I go, well track this humans mwhahahaha!"

This is too funny...Chad & Chris find Seneca very entertaining. And, I thought she was just doing the "Happy Dance!"

From Chad & Chris
"And here's Seneca taking off from a tree a little less gracefully than Cheyenne's dive (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.200) off of the pole (but very entertaining nonetheless). She was perched, then all of a sudden she got a burst of that "cat-like" energy, then started footing and biting a small stubby branch before falling sideways out of the tree still holding onto it and then releasing the branch as she was upside down..."

1.     2.     3.     4.       5.      6.     7.     8.      9.  

Enjoy!
Joyce

Thanks for both of those, Joyce!! Seneca IS pretty funny with that branch. I guess if plummeting to the ground isn't a problem, you can afford to do stuff like that.
And the eyas photos are terrific!

Great Pics,
I love to know where Seneca is.
Thanks Carla

 :coolphotos:

What a character she is....fun to look at the pics. Thanks Joyce. :2funny:

Marvelous pics as usual. Thanks Joyce. :wave:   Love that Seneca! :heart:

Seneca is a beauty and how sweet to see her baby :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:  I had to smile at her pictures in the tree.  How many times did we see juvies upside down in the tree at High Falls!

I just read on the CMNH Forum that Seneca and Cheyenne have a second hatch!    :clap:

 :yahoo: :hatch1: :hatch1: :heart:

Oh that's wonderful news!!   :handshake:

 :2thumbsup:  Wonderful News!  Little Seneca is a Mommy!   :heart:

According to Chad & Chris...

"Yep, we were very surprised when the first chick hatched at 42 days and we were even more surprised this morning when the second chick hatched at 45 days! We could tell when we got the first look at the chick here early this morning that it had just hatched (it was very pink with moist, matted downy feathers)."

 :wow: goodnews: :clap: :heart:

How nice. Should be some greater pics soon.  :clap:

It looks like Seneca took the Imprints motto with her when she left.

Specto Subitus!

She and Quest!  (And Zephyr since he did make a surprise appearance last year in the Brighton area)!  Those 2008 youngsters are full of the unexpected :happy:

And don't forget Valiant (formerly known as Sabrina) from 2006, who turned out to be a big boy, not a little girl  8).

LOL!  Very true!!!!

___And don't forget Valiant (formerly known as Sabrina) from 2006, who turned out to be a big boy, not a little girl ___

It is amazing. This is the first time I heard about this transformation. Maybe I was on an other planet when it was tell. :lol:

The news came in last year in the midst of Mariah's injury...you can find it here  (http://rfalconcam.com/imprinting/?p=712)in Imprints with a follow-up here (http://rfalconcam.com/imprinting/?p=922)

New photos up of Seneca et famille and some sad news about baby #2 - he might not make it  :crying:

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.210

 :no:

That would be so sad...but at least #1 seems to be thriving.  Keeping good thoughts that #2 will somehow pull through...

It is always sad when one dies, but we have to trust that Seneca knows what she is doing.  We saw this first hand with Beauty and the eggs - she knew something was wrong.

I just read on the CMNH Forum that Seneca and Cheyenne's second hatch didn't make it and Seneca removed it from the nest.   :(  The good news is the first hatch, "Warrior", is doing fine.

 :crying: :heart:

 :crying: and  :heart: How awful for her. Poor baby. First time moms...1 or 2 is a good number.

Sweet girl.  She knew something was wrong with that poor baby.

I'm very sorry to hear that too, but so glad that warrior is doing well.  This will give them some experience and strengthen their bond together  :handshake:

Pics posted on CMNH forum of Seneca feeding "Warrior" and of "Warrior" alone.  He/she's getting so big too!  :2thumbsup:

Warrior   :heart: :heart:
 double cute
Seneca feeding Warrior. :heart:

Thanks for the tip Kris. Seneca looks wonderful! :heart:

Seneca is doing such a good job!   :heart:

New pics by C&C at the CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.230) forum

Here's one of Seneca & Warrior

Great pic of Seneca and Warrior!  He's so small compared to our two pork chops!  They do chow down!

Adorable!!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

That's cuz they're little piggys! :hysterical:
Very cute  pic.  :flash:

 :2funny:  :laugh:

How sweet!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Awwww  how touching! :heart:

 :heart: No words are needed.  :heart:

We often saw tender moments with M&K, Beauty has also shown them (ok Archer is still getting the hang of home life), and now S&C are demonstrating tenderness.  Obviously, there is a LOT more to these birds and a LOT more for us to learn and understand.   :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see them up close!!! :wave: :2thumbsup:

Ohhhh  :wave:  Are you going to Ohio again?  Take pictures, please?

Joyce and I are traveling to Cleveland tomorrow afternoon. Plans so far are to see Seneca and family Saturday morning for sure, the Terminal Tower gathering in the afternoon and Hilliard Sunday morning and probably another visit to Seneca maybe. Can't wait!!  :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :rofl:

What truly amazes me is after watching them grow from small white fluffs to fledglings flying the gorge, two years later Seneca is a momma herself, caring for a little one.  It's just incredible!   :notworthy:

I agree!!!  Cheyenne reminds me of Kaver and then of course we have the beautiful Seneca!!!

Have fun Dawn and Joyce!!!!!!  Take lots of pictures!!!!!!!!  Tell our girl we love her!!

I thought all of you would enjoy a photo of Seneca shared by Elimac with permission from C. Lynch who took this on Memorial Day.

Isn't she regal!
Joyce

Ditto!   Have a safe trip! :wave:

She is gorgeous!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Looks like her momma! Beautiful! :thumbsup:

:ditto:  Stay safe.  Oink!

Mega Oink :ditto:

Joyce will get better pics..... Better lens BUT will we ever see them?  LOL I'm making her download them. (she has the 400mm and I 250)........LOL that's kind of a private joke but I'M PUBLISHING mine and I'm  going to make her do hers   :baby: :baby: :baby: :baby:

 :yahoo:

:D

Ohh, we'll be waiting!  :thumbsup:

Seneca, Cheyenne & baby

http://picasaweb.google.com/dawnv311/SenecaCheyenne?feat=directlink

 :heart: Love these photos! Thanks Dawn. :clap:

:ditto:  Thanks for taking the drive and sharing!
Oink

Beautiful pictures of Seneca and her eyas.

Great pics Dawn... and how cute is that Warrior!  :heart: Love pic 27. Nice to see C & C also. Hope you both had a nice trip,

Wow!  I'm sill amazed!  Thanks for making the trip & sharing your pictures with us! 

It is so thrilling to see pictures of them!  Little warrior is a little sweetie! :wub: :wub: :wub:

Thanks for sharing your pictures Dawn!   :clap:

New picture from Chad & Chris on the CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.250)forum

They believe Warrior is a female.

   

Hi Dawn,

Thanks for posting the pics and sharing the info on Seneca!!  It must have wonderful to see her!!  And I agree with Jeanne...little Warrior is definitely a sweetie! 

Ahem...the dogs pics were good too  8)

Suzanne in Ithaca

So cute and so BIG...has to be a girl. Thanks Ei.

Our little Warrior princess is growing with leaps and bounds.  I stopped briefly yesterday AM on my drive into work, and she is already starting to flap a lot.  Seneca and Cheyenne were both on the bridge railing below the nest, about 8 feet from where we drive into work.  I plan on sharing much more about this little one, and for many years to come about Seneca.
 :heart:

Oh thank you so much elimac...wonderful you get to see Seneca and family. Will be looking forward to your reports. Welcome to our Forum.   :bow: :clap:

  :wave:  :2thumbsup:

:ditto: Oink!

Thanks for joining the forum Elimac and sharing your Seneca/Cheyenne Watch Reports.  I look forward to hearing first hand how this little family is doing.  Thanks!

Elimac-- Welcome and thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elimac...Thank you for posting updates on the little one!  I love the pics of her! 

This is an amazing comparison.  I don't think I have seen any other falcon pairs this close in size.   

On June 13 Chad + Chris wrote...
"In the 12th shot, as we had thought since we first observed Cheyenne (and as Joyce has mentioned) Cheyenne appears to be a large male.  With the wings in synch you can see that their wing span is very similar (and Seneca, as the bottom bird, is actually a touch closer in this sequence)."

   

Check out their entire sequence of food exchange photos on CMNH (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.260).

Me either, they are so close in size..it's amazing!  If you zoom in you can see she is the bigger of the two but you'd be hard pressed to see that from the ground I'm thinking.

OMG...AMAZING is right..these pics are breath-taking!  :o :surprise: :heart: Thanks Joyce for posting. Again, C & C come through with some  :flash: :coolphotos:

Wow!  Stunning pics of Seneca and Cheyenne!  Thanks C&C!

 :bravo: :clap:

She is beautiful as is Cheyenne!  So glad they are together! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Do we know if Warrior will be able to be banded?  Doesn't really look like a safe situation for her or a banding team to try to access her, but darn I wish she  could be so we could hopefully track another generation of M&K's great-greats.

Love to see her growing!!

Nancy in UT

I don't believe the Department of Wildlife will band the chick.  According to Chad & Chris, they said they couldn't can't get a bucket in order to band "Warrior Princess".  No equipment was available.

Others have been asking about banding as well. I posted a couple of comments to to Chris & Chad on CMNH.

I asked if there is any possibility of someone repelling down from the bridge and if it would help if we put in a plea from Rochester?

Check to see if C+C respond on the CMNH (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.270) forum.

~Joyce

Joyce, I think people from raptor resource org rapel to band falcons.

www.raptorresource.org

Thanks for the updates.  The tandem flying shots are stunning! :clap:

I hope someone can band her!  :o

I agree...it would be wonderful if they could be banded!  Perhaps someone could contact the folks at raptor resource? 

BTW, I LOVE the tandem pic...how awesome!

Seneca feeding Warrior. These are from Mary in Boston. She was with us watching Seneca in Cleveland.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4PEwhL3yA4

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxF_83AMy4k

Great videos Dawn....thank you for posting them and  thank you Mary. Warrior is one huge eyas!! So good to see Seneca. Where was Cheyenne during all this excitement?  :clap:

I love the way Warrior stumbles and flounders around.
Makes having a body look like a big nuisance!

I soptted this picture of Warrior over on CNMH...



...taken by Chris Lynch around 7AM Friday

I meant to post that picture of Warrior. Liz sent it to me. I think I posted on Facebook but forgot here. She's really grown from 2 weeks ago!

Beautiful! Thanks Ei

Cheyenne was sitting on the next column over for awhile. You would see him in my album I posted last week.  ;)

Cheyenne is one huge male. He's the biggest I've seen! And very handsome.

Of course I saw him in your album, I was wondering where he was during taping!  ;)  :-[

Great shot! :clap:

Wonderful videos! :clap: :thanks2:

Thanks for the updated pic of Warrior!  They grow so fast!! 

Oh, Dawn, I just saw the links you posted....Thank You!!!  Hmmm, maybe we will go to Cleveland next year too...I'd love to see Seneca!

Sorry I missed you yesterday in Rochester.

Darn,thanks for the update Joyce! :wave:

Joyce, thanks for posting the response.  I was really hoping there would be a way to band Warrior, but  I guess not.  And I certainly hope they do not band her because she went down!

Love the pic of Warrior and the house sparrow :happy:

Hey Joyce,
Any additional updates on Warrior? 
Suzanne

New pictures of Warrior by Chad & Chris on the CMNH Forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.280)

I feel a little sad for Warrior not having a sibling.  I'm sure she'll be just fine, but she'll miss out on all kinds of fun (and trouble) sisters and brothers get into.  Talon taggin, chasing, food tug of wars, and just plain old snuggling.  Seneca and Cheyenne will have to be not only her parents and teachers, but her partners in play and learning.

Maybe it will be like Mariah and Seneca-- Mariah spent a lot of time with Seneca because she was the last to fledge.  I hope for little Warrior, that it will be a special mom and daughter time.  It is sad that she won't be playing talon tag and having a sibling to snuggle with though. 

It kind of looks like she is missing some feathers.  Is that normal.

I think Warrior will do well and get special attention from mom and dad. Yeah, it's no fun with no brothers and sisters but....

It does look like she's missing feathers, Jeanne. Here's a different angle.

Will that hinder her in flying? A split wing would be nice but missing feathers?

Oh, my, she is really missing feathers!  Hopefully it will not hinder her ability to fly.  We have lots of birds who are missing wing feathers and they fly fine, but it makes me wonder...and worry.
Suzanne

A recent pic of Warrior posted on the CMNH Forum taken by Craig Rieker.  Wonder why her cere is so dark?

Chad & Chris had mentioned the dark cere too.  Hopefully just a variation on the narrow dark stripe most have. 

I worry about her with the missing feathers and the darkened cere but regardless, she is beautiful. My hope is that she'll be alright.

 :ditto:    :heart:

Thanks Elimac for the latest photo taken Friday AM by Christopher Lynch posted on CMNH (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.290)



I too am worried about how Warrior will fly.  Not good to be at a disadvantage for your first fight.

Assuming the worst and she goes down, will there be watchers to retrieve and also band her?

There are periodic visits by Chad & Chris to the nest site.  I know they take 2 weeks vacation from their normal worklife to monitor so many nestsites.  Cleveland is big compared to Rochester and they have many nestsites. Watchers that live close by to a nest site will check on the falcons there.  However, in order to observe this nestsite, you have to be on NASA property. Access is restricted and no one is allowed unless they are granted permission.  I'm sure Elimac checks the site when she goes to and from work, but no one is there on a fledge watch like in Rochester.  If Warrior goes down, C+C and/or the DOW will be notified.

New pictures of Warrior & Seneca on the CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last)forum...these by Steve Hall.  Warrior definitely seems to have missing a feather on each wing-hoping she'll adapt since she's never known anything different.

This is Steve Hall's close up of Seneca...the best of both her parents!

I agree.  A missing feather or two shouldn't doom Warrior.

Boy, Mariah and Kaver sure did make beautiful offspring.

Hey! Those missing feathers seem perfectly symmetrical! That is so odd!!! 

It's the same feather position on each side.  I know when birds molt they usually lose the same feather on each side at the same time, so feather growth is usually symmetrical. I wonder if some part of that mechanism is out of whack-either the feather didn't grow or molted prematurely or is just super slow growing.

They certainly did!

I need to ask Mark about those missing feathers.  I know that the fact they are in sync with each other means she won't be off balance at least so that is good.  It's almost like a variation on Mariah's split wing, wonder if grandma had a similar issue when she was a young fledgling.

oh yes they sure did.

about Warrior she is missing the two feathers but compared to our two little ones she seems to be quite ragged from the pictures I saw earlier. I hope she is just a little slow developing  :confused:

C&C have posted new photos of warrior and seneca.  Actually warrior looks pretty good, I think it's the bridge that makes her looks a bit ragged sometimes.  C&C will be out early today to check on her as in case she fledges they said, they also said her missing feathers shouldn't be a problem - and given they know their birds I trust their judgement.  Some beautiful shots up from yesterday!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.300

Thanks for the updated pics Carly.  I hope as she grows her feathers will fill in better.

Wow   Seneca is stunning!    :heart:

  Warrior is looking a little better in the new pics.  Her mother, Seneca. is gorgeous!

Ah, yes, Seneca is gorgeous.  I love see pics of M&K's kids and grandkids!
 :happy:

Apparently Warrior fledged sometime around 7 am this morning according to Elimac at CMNH.  They have been out looking for her now and waiting on C&C to update on her whereabouts.  I hope she is well and had a good first flight!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.310#post_54466

 :2thumbsup: :heart:

bguitar  :2thumbsup:

:ditto:

Long post tonight on CMNH Forum about Warrior.  They didn't find her yet but will resume looking tomorrow. I hope she's OK.

Oh I hope she is OK  :pray:

:ditto: Seneca is a favorite of mine and Warrior was starting to look like her Grandma.

I hope so too!

Maybe she'll continue the legacy :happy:

Ditto on the  :ditto:    :heart:

As of 2 PM today, no sighting of Warrior yet.  :(

Oh how awful....maybe laying low like Callidora. Hope they find Warrior soon.

I hope she is seen.  Really, we were right at the jail hours before Calli was found and did not see her.  There are so many variables.  I hope Warrior will be seen soon

What are Seneca and Cheyanne doing?  Are they still in the area?

Warrior is okay!!!  She's low but both parents know where she is and Elimac thinks she was fed too!!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?49383.last

goodnews:  :yahoo:

I was just going to post this news from the CMNH Forum. It's wonderful to know she's been found and that so far she's doing OK!  :clap:

YAY! I got the same information by email as posted on CMNH and thought I would share Liz' (Elimac) full post here. Finally good news after so much heartbreak in Ohio the last few days.

Warrior was on the railing of the underpass bridge this AM.

My friend Sue called me and said she thought she saw the little one on the nest ledge. She and I went over to see if we could find her, but she was not on the ledge and no one was around. We were there for about 10 minutes, and were ready to leave when both parents flew in near the railing on the north end, and there she was. Both parents were trying to encourage her to fly off that railing, but for a while she was just sitting there hollering and probably wanting to be fed. Neither parent was aggressive toward us, even though we got very close. We backed off, and the parents were swooping over her trying to encourage her to fly, but she ended up on the sidewalk. then she jumped onto the concrete barrier between the sidewalk and the road. We (mostly Sue) were trying to get traffic to slow so if she jumped into the road no one would hit her. She finally made it onto the guard rail near the buildings on the N side of Brookpark, and then went down into the dirt on the north side of the guard rail. Sue called me to come toward her, as she was near the buildings, and when I got almost to the end of the railing she said "look over" I did and Warrior was right below me on a dead branch, not 3 feet away. When she saw me she took off and flew well to either a tree very close to the bridge or to an area between the cliff and the bridge support, we could not tell, but from the way the parents were flying around and from her calls we think she was in the tree. Then one of the parents landed, and we think they brought food, for she got very quiet. We then left and went back to work.

What a nice way to start a Friday morning!

Doing the "Warrior" dance...THANK you for the info Janet!

There is no "i" in Team  ;)

That's great story. Good watchers!!!!!  We were discussing, at our fledgewatch meeting, one's options in different kinds of situations: when to just guard them so they can rest and other people and/or cars don't hurt them or spook them (maybe they'll take off again soon), when to herd them to a safer place where they can rest or from where they can be retrieved and replaced in the scrape, and, once in a while, when it is safe to try to flush the bird. It's so scary!!!!!!

dale

WONDERFUL! :crying: :heart:

Liz (Elimac) took this picture of Warrior this morning...



Not a happy camper...but OK  :clap:

Aren't they all just so beautiful? Cute pic! Glad she's OK. Thanks

Thank goodness she's OK.  :clap:

Very cute! :heart:

that's an understatement!  grumpy, grouchy, and profoundly PO'd.
Great picture.

Dale

Gosh, she is beautiful!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

like her Mother and Grandmother before her  :wub: :wub:

Oh she is so gorgeous!!  I just want to hug her!  Thank you so much for posting it.  BTW, how close was Liz when she took that pic of Warrior?  She looks close!
Suzanne

Someone posted that they heard Warrior this past Sunday morning but Chad and Chris posted this AM that they've checked everyday since last Friday and have only seen the 2 adults-no sign of Warrior.  

 :no: :pray: :heart:

I keep checking as well.  I am holding on to the post by elimac saying she heard her but I wish someone would get a sighting of her.

I look at the site everyday and wish someone would post a confirmed sighting of Warrior too.  I think the last time she was seen was on the 2nd.

But if they are not looking for a long period of time, she might be easy to miss.  Look at us with Callidora.  We were circling the area on foot for hours and even stopped to look at the jail and still didn't see her.  If she is laying low or resting, it might be really hard to see her. 

They said in the post that they weren't there during the most active times and it was hot/humid so these could all be factors too in not seeing Warrior.  Let's hope she's OK and just laying low and keeping cool.  

come on baby girl time to check in with a watcher so we know you are OK  :heart:

 :pray:

What is it with the girls and lying low? Jemison made himself well-known.

 I do hope "Warrior" is OK.

  Love this pic of Seneca flying off the bridge.

Seneca & Cheyenne

We just need to find the "Warrior"

Have not seen or heard Warrior lately, but I have not spent any time looking since a week ago Sunday. I did, however, see both adults today. Cheyenne on his normal position as lamp-post sentry and Seneca on her favorite perch on the chunk of concrete on the nest ledge. She was staring with some intensity down the river, but I could not tell what she was looking at.

Elimac

No word on Warrior yet. I'll keep an open mind with a heavy  :heart:. Hope she's doing OK.

I know-I look every day looking for something posted about her.

I may be a Pollyanna, but I truly believe no news is good news...Warrior is alive & well until proven otherwise. 

Look how many hours are spent in Rochester staring at all the usual haunts without a hint of PEFA.  Then all of a sudden, if you're lucky, you're staring at the correct corner of Xerox when a brown bump suddenly appears for a second-Callidora waking up from a nap-then right back down again. 

Brookpark Rd. doesn't have anything close to the nearly full time watchers we have.  She's out there-she just hasn't been found yet.

 :wave:   I have faith that you are correct Ei!  Positive thoughts are easier on ones soul.    :pray:

I pray you are right but the problem is with no band we really will never know.  :(

Or the Jail....oh that girl!

Thing is she should be in training now like Calli. She should be flying with Seneca and Cheyenne. I wish I lived closer so I could watch for her.

From what I have heard, there just are not a lot of people allowed on the site (NASA owned) and some areas are prohibited.  Warrior might very well be fine but just not in an area easily accessed.  Plus, there are not a lot of watchers.  I agree with Ei.  I think no news is good news.  If the area is that restricted, and people who work there know about the birds, they would be alerted to a problem.  Still, fingers crossed!

     :(   Posted by C and C on CMNH Forum-

We've still been checking this site from down below, and still no sightings or sounds of Warrior so it's obvious that Warrior didn't make it. Seneca and Cheyenne have been spending most of their time under the bridge when they're not out and about. Last week we watched Cheyenne go down to the river and bathe on one of the hot days. He flew out of the bridge and perched in this low tree on the cliff overlooking the river, then took off...  

That's so sad, I had a feeling. Tragic for both parents.  :crying:

Sadly, no surprise, as it was becoming clear that Warrior wasn't around any more.   :(

This is very sad.  I hope they install a nestbox for next year.  I just think it might be better for them.   :'(

 :crying: :heart:

Sweet Warrior :crying:

I think a nestbox is a good idea.  Maybe those missing feathers were indicative of something on the little one.

I'll defer to C&C's judgement, because they have spent a lot of time observing falcons in different environments, much more than I have.  

However, my local site in Cabin John, MD has many similarities with the Brookpark Road Bridge site -- both are beneath major highway bridges spanning a heavily wooded rivercourse.  Between the bridge structure and all the trees, the juveniles have many places to hide.  The very hot weather gives them little incentive to fly unless they are really hungry. Usually, after I have been watching for an hour or two, one will magically appear out of nowhere and start loudly yelling for food.

I agree that there is a good chance that Warrior is dead.  However, if Warrior is alive and behaving like my juveniles, it would be easy to miss him/her, especially if observing periods were limited.

Paul

I agree Paul. You can spend hours waiting for a couple minutes of activity. Right time,right place.

I also agree with Paul.  Although it doesn't look good for Warrior, unless you spend hours watching, you have a really good chance of NOT seeing a falcon.  Even here in Rochester, A&B are currently visiting the nestbox, but Callidora is not.  If you kept watching the nestsite area, you wouldn't see much of Callidora at all.

The only way to be sure that Warrior was no longer with us is if one of the watchers at Brookpark stayed the whole day and observed the adults.  During the day, Warrior would probably make herself know, when she was hungry.  Keeping the adults in sight at all times can be a hard thing to do though.

When a fledgling is lost, the 1st Watcher rule is to observe the parents.

Also, if areas around that nest are blocked to observers, Warrior could be there and no one would know.

I agree with Paul, et. al. unless one sits for an extended period, it is difficult to make a solid conclusion about the presence/absence of Warrior.  I am currently observing a fledgling crow we released last Thursday.  He is in a small area, and I still do not always see him!  Yesterday during one of my observation periods I located him by noticing a blinking eye in the leaves, otherwise I would never have seen the little guy! 

As Carol said watching the adults for a period of time would also give a better indication.  I think they could use about 5 or 6 watchers watching for an entire day, and there are still areas not accessible for watching. 

As Paul mentioned it has been HOT and we all know how inactive they can be when it is hot!

Suzanne

I haven't given up on Warrior yet, maybe because I am hoping he is still alive for Seneca and Cheyenne!

Agreed

As I've said before, I will continue to believe that Warrior is OK until proven otherwise. 

I know she's not banded, but there haven't been any reports (yet) of a downed/deceased unbanded juvie peregrine in the area.  I'm well aware of what the chances are, and I certainly respect C&C's opinion, but I've never been one to speculate about anything.  Without facts it's all a guessing game.  Maybe an educated guess, but a guess none the less.

That's my story & I'm sticking to it.

Ei, I second that one  :2thumbsup:

Suzanne

  :pray: I WANT you to be right

Cheyenne bathing

Cheyenne by C & C

he is having a blast. Posted on CMNH Forum

He is just beautiful! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Thanks Kris for posting this news.  I haven't been following the forums as diligently lately due to work overload.  I feel terrible especially after being able to visit Seneca, Cheyenne and Warrior in person.  I too had that feeling when the adults resumed their normal behavior. 

Fly Free little Warrior princess!

what news?

 :ditto:

Kris' report of C&C thinking Warrior is gone-it's already 2 pages back...

Thanks, Ei!  I thought it was more recent news

Key word "thinking"...not a definite, I hope.  :(

 :wave:   Ok Thanks Ei.     :)

Posted on CMNH site today by Elimac:
Got to see both Seneca and Cheyenne today. Gosh they are beautiful. It sure brightened my day.
Glad they're both still being seen.  :clap:

Beautiful new pics of Seneca and Cheyenne have been posted today by C & C on the CMNH Forum.  :wub:

Beat me to it, Kris  :2thumbsup:

Here's one..



Seneca sure does look like her mother!

I know, Ei-she is gorgeous!

Seneca does look so much like Mariah.  She's truly beautiful.   :wub:

Seneca is so beautiful she takes my breath away....she is so much like her gorgeous mom....
 :wub: :heart:

You said it beautifully!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

 :heart: she looks like her Momma, just gorgeous, but she was Daddies little girl  :wub: and my favorite from that year (sorry Quest and Zman)

I remember my friend and I rooting her on to take that first flight. I don't think I have a favorite. I enjoyed them all for different reasons. It was the only year I saw Mariah and Kaver bring up their young and I will treasure the memories forever. I did see a couple of the juvies live in the gorge but never Mariah or Kaver. Long live the king and queen of the high falls! :heart: :heart:

I wasn't around here during the days of M & K but I love reading the stories about them..
There is something so touching about these birds who are "birds of prey" but so gentle too.
The wisdom of the ages is in their eyes :-)  :heart:

I shared Seneca's picture with my friend in Europe who loves these birds and is a supporter of this group...All he could say was "Wow...she is stunning" !!  :wub: :heart:

Wow, she certainly is a beautiful girl, like her momma. Thanks for the pic.

Some new pictures of Seneca & Cheyenne by C&C on the CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?55618.10#post_56071)site

Thanks Ei. Love those pics! :clap: :2thumbsup:

Those pics are AMAZING!!

They really outdid themselves this time, those freefall shots of Seneca were simply stunning  :bow:

Yes thank you so much!  Awesome!   :2thumbsup:
They are beautiful  :wub:

New photos of Seneca and Cheyene posted by C&C..as always they are superb!!  Scroll down for the start of the series.

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?55618.20

 :clap:  Thanks Carly, those are spectacular! :bravo:

Cheyenne looks frightened in this shot. GREAT pics by them again.
Then it's all Lovey Dovey.  :clap:

Can we assume Cheyenne does not Migrate or Seneca.

Just beautiful!!!!! :heart: :heart: :heart:

Of all the known offspring, Seneca reminds me the most of Mariah...

 :( yup

 :scaredblue:   I'd be frightened too if I saw those talons coming at me!  As far as migration goes I think male falcons are alot like human males. Some stay close to home and some like to stray!  :devil:

Me, too!

As for Mariah, Rich was asking about her yesterday and I told him that many of us believe she is both alive and in the greater Rochester area.  I really believe that.

I think she's around here somewhere too and that, just maybe, one of these unbanded juvies may be hers.   :wub:

Really, in my heart of hearts, I believe Mariah is alive and well.  And I would not be surprised if she had some babies this year.

Oh these photos are lovely..they are so sweet :-)
I think too that one day the beautiful Mariah will show up again... :heart: :wub:

Seneca was spotted yesterday at her nest and Cheyenne before that so apparently they don't Migrate. According to C&C, of the 3 nests they monitor, none of the pairs Migrate. We may have pics all Winter long, hopefully!  :2thumbsup:

 :2thumbsup:

The M&K gals put there big yellow feet down about roving mates.   :snow2:

Oh, wow, I just LOVE the pics of Seneca and Cheyenne!  She is so beautiful!  As for Mariah, when I first saw the adult female at Montezuma, that is all I could think of!!  Too bad it all happened so quickly and we could not get a positive id!!  We do not usually see adult peregrines there, but plenty of juveniles. 
Suzanne 

I was looking today on the CMNH Forum to see how Seneca and Cheyenne are doing and this is the report from yesterday:

I have not seen the falcons on the bridge at all since early January, and this morning there were ring-billed gulls sitting on the lights the falcons normally sit on. Plus, today was the first time I saw the RR Eagle fly by my window at work. I'm concerned about this pair now.
 
In looking back, the last posting of a sighting of Seneca was Dec. 20th and Cheyenne was seen and photographed on Jan. 3rd.
Hope everything is alright with them. 

I don't like the sound of this report. :pray:

I wouldn't be too worried.  They could be nearby.  We don't see Falcons on the Time Square bldg very often.  They tend to either migrate or move away from a nest site.  Hopefully there will be some sightings soon.

Carol P.

Hope you're right and that they're OK. Love this beautiful pair.

maybe she is up flying around the lake like her sister (Quest).

Posted by Chad & Chris on the CMNH forum (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57137.10)

Saw Cheyenne here by the nest briefly on Saturday with a good-sized crop. Stayed for awhile down by the river, then went up top for awhile-- no appearances by Seneca during this time.

Joyce-- we'll still be able to monitor no matter what they do with underpass road, although we may have to be further back from the nest or observing from down below.

First shot is from down by the river, and the second shot from up top...

   

Ei

Hope Seneca is OK, maybe she was out wandering. Great pics of Cheyenne. Thanks Ei. Hard to say where she is since no watcher's there every day.

If we didn't have our watcher's, I would have thought Beauty left.

 :clap:Cheyenne is very handsome!  ;D

Maybe she went on a little migration like her mother used to do. I hope she's OK too.

New pics of Cheyenne posted today but still no sightings of Seneca since December.

Posted today on CMNH:

"There were two peregrine falcons under the Brookpark Rd. bridge last night. It was getting to dusk when I stopped to check after walking the dogs, but there were definitely two peregrines on the bridge support. I am sorry I didn't have the scope to try and ID them!
Have a great day!

Lisa"

I do hope it's Seneca!

Thanks Ei, hope it's her!

Me too!  ;D :heart:

:ditto::ditto:

:ditto: :ditto: :ditto: :ditto:May I say triple dittoes?  Let it be Seneca!   Let Archer return.  Let Quest Be successfufl in her "quest"...  Mariah and Kaver?  Bless you for all of this ...keep an eye on them all, and let this be a fruitful breeding season for our falcons. 

I do hope that Seneca has returned.   :happy:

C & C posted pics of the female tonight on the CMNH Forum.  They question whether it's Seneca because there's a mysterious black stripe around the rt leg band where Seneca has a silver band. Some characteristics do look like Seneca but no confirmation yet on who this is with Cheyenne. Any thoughts?

Oh no! Black band, I don't think so. Where could she be, unless she just didn't come back yet. Stressful!

I looked at the pictures. You can see silver above and below the black. It looks like tape. Could she have been in someones rehab? I can't tell if its her or not. I was comparing pics from this past fall and now lot of similarities and there are differences but it could be camera angles too. Hope they can get better pics of the green and black bands only way to tell for sure. Unless she holds up a sign. :-[

I was thinking the same thing, BC, and I also thought I saw similarities but then differences in comparison pics.  We'll just have to wait for an identity confirmation from C & C.

Confirmation on the CMNH site that the female with Cheyenne is not Seneca (lots of postings and pics of the female on that site now).  The female has been positively identified -from Harrisburg, PA. 2009.  The tape on the right leg over the silver federal band was green-used for identification purposes at banding time. I wonder what happened to Seneca-hope she's OK. :(

 :o  Oh no!  :'(

OMG    NOooooooooooo, I'm so heart-broken!

And we'll end with some various shots of the new female. They were still keeping their distance from each other when perched today, although they were vocalizing to one another and they did fly around together a little bit. No visits to the nest site by this female that we've seen at this point.

Just want to say that we have really enjoyed watching Seneca at this nest site over the past year, and we were glad to have all of the New Yorkers so interested in following Seneca. Although we're glad Cheyenne recruited another female, we're sorry to see Seneca gone from this site, as she gave us many great moments and memories here in a short time.  from C & C

new female from Harrisburg 2009
Green girl from Harrisburg. 2009

Today we were able to read the bands. She is from Harrisburg, PA (2009) with the band numbers 49/AE (unnamed). We contacted the peregrine coordinator from PA and he confirmed that she is their bird and that green tape was used to help ID her at fledge time.

I'm heart-broken too, Donna.   :'(

 :(  :crying:

The last sighting of Seneca was in January. What could have happened to her? Did she take off, did she encounter another female? Maybe we'll never know. Would she migrate in Jan? I just don't know. Guess no one does! :(

Some falcons have been known to 'vacation' during winter months - not sure where they go but it has happened and then they turn back up.  She may also have decided to find a new nest site after a failed nest site last year.  Although the area was nice, eggs rolling around on concrete is not ideal and maybe she decided to try her luck elsewhere.  I'm hoping that is all it was.  We have had falcons abandon nest sites/mates and turn up elsewhere so take heart and don't give up - she's got good strong genes!

The one coming to my mind is Millie, Archer's sister.  2 perfectly fine years with Swifty in Ohio, then she took off to Michigan & Leopold.  Who knows why.  Hopefully we'll hear about Seneca again.

Oh Seneca, sweet baby, please be safe.  I was thinking failed nest site too

 :crying:

she was my favorite, Daddies little girl. Please God let her be all right.  :pray:

I am disappointed and sad :'( that I may not see Seneca again.  I'm so glad that I was able to see Seneca in person with Cheyenne and little Warrior.  I was so enamored :heart: with Seneca and Cheyenne last year.  Seneca is my profile picture...she is one beautiful falcon!  What a bonus to have all of the wonderful photos from Chad & Chris in 2010.

Perhaps she is off wandering like her sister Quest has done for over two years. With the successful re-population of peregrine falcons, it does seem to be the way of the new falcon generation.

Joyce

Bummer!  That said, I'm with Joyce about perhaps she is like her sister.  Think Linn - these ladies must have the Wandering Gene.   :falcon:

Maybe that's what happened to Archer too, same gene...or Callidora scared him too much last year, he's afraid to come back.  :hyper: Still has another week and it seems Beauty is holding out until then, keeping T at bay. I have to admit, that MR T is a real cutie.

Archers coming its just that his time table is later than what we are used to with Kaver. Both years he showed up around the same time (I remember being worried last year) he came back the same day my TV's came home and they are not back yet either. I too think Mr T is cute so he needs to go and find a lady of his own. I really don't want him and Archer to fight. He could go up to the lady on the crane by the lake.

Seneca  :wub: I hope is just touring the lakes maybe she also likes the taste of shore birds or whatever it is Quest eats up there. Little warrior was not quite right (feathers not developed correctly) maybe Seneca thinks the problem is nest location (or Cheyenne) So she is checking out all her options.

Yeah I said that to MAK, he can go see the Charlotte falcon, it's just getting him there. So many single gals and he picks Beauty.

And we don't know  where Seneca was before she was seen at that nest site.  It was a failed site-- she lost little Warrior and the other little one that was disposed of.  Hopefully she will be seen again.  She has been taught by the best-- Mariah took extra care with her. 

Or to the lovely Lady Pefa down the road a bit!

Her man never came back either or were they never really a couple?

I would like to think that Seneca has moved on to a better nest site.  These Pefas are pretty smart about that.  Bad nest site and loss of young probably sent her on her way.  I truly hope she shows up at a safer nest site sometime soon. - Carol P.

We never witnessed copulation between Lady Pefa and the black banded male, but they were sure keeping close.  The next weeks are going to be very interesting.

I know this is Senecas topic but have we ever gotten a confirmed ID on Lady Pefa?

Given Seneca's great genes, I also believe that she has moved on to a better nest site and better life! I believe --  as Carol does-- that we will see Seneca again.  Smart  gal!

C & C pic

Well Cheyenne and Green Girl (from Harrisburg) have an egg. Posted on the CMNH forums.

I wish them well and wonder where Seneca is!  :(

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57137.150 (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57137.150)

Great pics from C & C over there.

Seneca is wandering like Quest!  ;D

Bittersweet.   :(.   Best of luck to the new pair.

Bad news reported about Seneca's former mate Cheyenne:

Just received some bad news about this site. After just posting the latest pics here, we checked our e-mail and were notified by Jenny from DOW that Cheyenne was brought in last night to the Back to the Wild rehabilitation facility in Castalia, Ohio after he was found with an injured wing in the parking lot of the Cleveland Hopkins Airport. He is supposed to get x-rays tomorrow, so hopefully we'll know more soon. We were at this site early this morning, and GG was on the eggs-- didn't stay very long, as we headed out to check some other sites for hatches. We're only a little over a week from the hatch date, but we'll have to see what GG does. We'll check back here tomorrow!

Oh no, poor Cheyenne. This is tragic. Thanks for the news.  :(

 :scared:   Oh dear, I hope someone spots Seneca soon so we know she's alright. Thankfully  Cheyenne is in good hands and hopefully he will be able to return to the wild at some point.   :heart:

That is too bad about Cheyanne; I wish him well.  It is so good that he was found and is in safe hands!  We know what rehab can do for the falcons. 
When is the last time Seneca was sighted?  I think it was earlier this winter?   
Does anyone have any info about her?

The last posting about a Seneca sighting that I ever saw on the CMNH Forum was late December. There's been no further news about her.  :(

That's what I thought, Kris.  Thanks for verifying what I thought.  I hope we hear about her.

Will GG be able to do it on her own? Poor Cheyenne hope he will be OK. I hope Seneca is spotted soon.


it'll probably be in Toronto our girls seem to show up there  ;D

Cheyenne update today:

Today's update on Cheyenne... Laura called after his visit to Dr. Lindstrom. He found a slight fracture of the corocoid (collar bone), which is usually not a difficult problem to heal, per Laura. However, he had a very high white blood cell count, which Laura said could be a possible sign of some poison in his system. He also had greenish defecation, which she said is an indication of a liver problem, so they're going to do a more specialized blood panel to determine more. He's on antibiotics now, and Laura said that the prognosis for releasability is good if he recovers from his sickness.

As for GG, we were there this morning and she appears to be giving up. She didn't incubate, but stayed around the nest site. She walked in to the nest cubby and began picking at one of the eggs. We couldn't tell if she broke the egg or if it had already been broken, but she began eating some of it. She then picked up the broken egg, and with yolk dripping out she carried it out of the nest to a tree. Since the egg had that much yolk in it and we didn't see a formed eyass (which there should be with only about a week to go until the hatch date) that egg wasn't any good anyway. This may have even been the egg that they inconsistently incubated for the first week or two.

The quail was still on the railing this morning. Kim-- in our experience, peregrines have not rejected quail in rehab., although they will sometimes refuse to eat when they first enter into a captive environment. Quail is actually considered very well accepted by peregrines. If we could have gotten it into one of their cache spots under the bridge, that probably would have been the best place to put it and there would have been a better chance of her taking it.

What a very sad situation. Hoping Cheyenne recovers quick and GG doesn't give up completely. I feel so sorry for both families that nested there. So emotional.  :crying:

Thank you Kris.

 GG with broken egg
BY C & C
sad
GG in tree after egg incident  :(

I wonder with the elevated white blood cell count and the green feces. If there is something in the environment at that nest site. That is what is making Cheyenne ill and maybe caused the problems that little Warrior had last year (he did not seem developed correctly IE feathers etc) before he disappeared. Which maybe why our girl left (or it made her so sick that she....I don't even want to go there.)  :'(

 :crying: :heart:

I wondered about the site also. One little one died early and then sweet Warrior. I am hopeful about Seneca though.  She was the last to fledge and Mariah did a lot of flying with her.  I think she is tough.  She may, like Quest, be searching for a nestbox. 

I also have to wonder about this site, jeanne.  Is any agency available to go test the site?  Who WOULD be responsible for testing, or maybe the word is Willing? 

if I'm not mistaken its a NASA site so that is the US Government and I'm sure they will find nothing wrong with it.  :rolleyes:

Posted by Chad & Chris on CMNH  (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57137.last) forum.  Perhaps a reason we never heard from Seneca again.

"GG has been less consistently around the bridge over the last few days when we've checked, but was there with a full crop this evening. We can't tell if the two eggs are still up there-- they aren't in view if they are.

The news on Cheyenne is good-- he's responding very well to the antibiotics and his defecation is back to normal. He's eating well and is energetic again, per Laura. The blood panel ruled out a rodenticide, but the poison that was in his system is still unknown. Laura feels that if he continues to recover as well as he has he should be releaseable within a couple weeks.

Joyce-- you're right that the nest area makes them vulnerable. DOW really did want to get a nest tray into that cubby, but it was a conflict with the airport. We didn't get around to posting this, but we found out that they had been trapping and relocating raptors at the airport in an effort to prevent airplane/bird strikes. No way of knowing, but it could even explain how Seneca disappeared at such an odd time. They were transporting trapped peregrines all the way to Toledo (over 100 miles away). Laura met with airport officials and there is now an agreement in place that all trapped birds from the airport will be assessed (and identified, if banded) at the MRC. The resident peregrines would not be relocated if they get trapped. However, it was after that meeting that Cheyenne was transported out to Back to the Wild, so hopefully the protocol will work more efficiently in the future."

OMG Just came over to post this too!! 

We didn't get around to posting this, but we found out that they had been trapping and relocating raptors at the airport in an effort to prevent airplane/bird strikes. No way of knowing, but it could even explain how Seneca disappeared at such an odd time.

This is all so sad.  I hope that Seneca is well ...somewhere.

WOW!  :(  Poor girl. You would think, by instinct, they would record any band numbers before  they shipped them off! (You would think)!!

You would also think that 'by law' they should be required to record the band numbers - isn't part of the reason we band them so we can identify them?  I can't believe they would do that, wonder how many other pairs have been separated like that.

I pray she is safe and well.

I don't even know what to say about this.   >:(

Me neither!  :banghead:

I just read the CMNH Forum post about this.  I'm so glad that Cheyenne will be OK and releasable but my greatest thought is about our Seneca.  I've always been hopeful that she's alright somewhere but to think that she was trapped and relocated without being identified is so sad.  If they had just written down a band number so we knew.  :(

I am speechless.  I am trying to look at the bright side.  Chances are they trapped our sweetie and maybe it gets her out of an area that might not be healthy.

That said, what the heck were they thinking to not record bands.  Is that even legal for the to do this trapping?

:tickedoff:  You would think, wouldn't ya?   I am beginning to think that we need to pay more attention, and take more lessons from our avian friends.  Instinctively, they are smarter than we are!

So glad Cheyenne will recover and be released. Feel bad for GG.

Just so long as she was relocated. I wouldn't put it past these so called people to do something worse. Of course they didn't write down band numbers. Then there would be evidence of what they were doing. This being legal is highly questionable in my book.

I'm surprised she didn't find her way back! Look at Mariah?

Why am I not surprised??!!!  Federal Agencies and State Agencies and Local Agencies don't play well together - Even with Homeland, the pethora of security groups still don't talk to each other. 

Wow...just wow.  All we can do is hope she's OK and will be seen somewhere.

That was my point, Toledo is not that far from Cleveland as the falcon flies. Quest has shown us that. Mariah and Milton have shown us their wish to go home after rehab no matter where they are released. I worry that those people did something else and just said the birds were relocated.  :'(

Peregrines are still listed as "endangered" in New York.  Are they in Ohio?  At the very least, they are listed as "threatened".  I cannot believe this is legal.  Has C&C or anyone in Ohio reported this to, I don't know, someone that can check into it?

This just seems so wrong in so many ways.   :(

My thoughts exactly, Carol

They have been downlisted as threatened in Ohio

http://www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife/dow/falcons/goals.aspx (http://www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife/dow/falcons/goals.aspx)

She was threatened alright!  :(

Report today about Cheyenne:
I just got a report on Cheyenne. He seems to be doing quite well, and may be moved to a flight cage sometime soon. I did not know that an engineer in a building I occasionally work in volunteers out at MRC! It was nice to get the feedback. Photos are of him holding Cheyenne.

Ahh, he looks so cute and well. Hoping for the best with him. Poor Seneca!!! Now can I do a sad face Carol?  :(

for our missing Seneca I think we can go to  :crying:

Ok, this time you can Donna.   :-\  He's gorgeous!  So glad to hear that he's doing better.  :happy:

He is just adorable!

Here's a pic of Cheyenne  :( from June 7th. Kris G sent this to me. His shoulder still doesn't look good. He had to be put back into a smaller flight cage.
Poor guy!

Aww how sad he looks!  :(

His shoulder doesn't look good.  Poor baby :(

 :( is there any prognosis? Do they think it will heal enough for him to go back out in the wild?

Posted your question on CMNH forum.  ~Joyce

 :thumbsup: Good job Joycie!  :wave:

They've posted an answer on that Forum.

Appreciate your continued interest in Cheyenne, Joyce! Been talking to Laura all week, but things have been very busy for her and us with fledges. Don't know if you caught it, but we've had to pick up five juvs so far at some of the Cuyahoga Co. sites, and we're trying to fit in time to watch an exciting new nest in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park with a female hatched at the TT in '09 (Strike-- from Buckeye and SW's last clutch).

What we do know about Cheyenne is that the vet thought he might have been in the flight cage a bit too soon and aggravated his slight corocoid fracture and previously dislocated shoulder. So, he was wrapped again and put into a smaller cage to heal.

I'm sure Liz will be able to fill you in on more details with the help of her friend who volunteers at the MRC, but we'll also post when we find out any additional info. Thanks Liz for getting and posting the info. C & C

This is better news!  Thanks, Joyce!

 goodnews: I think!  Seneca and Cheyenne were such a handsome couple!!!  :heart:

yes they were and with those names it just seems they were meant for each other. Maybe she will come back about the time he is ready for release (sorry green girl)  :pray:


Thanks Joyce for posting my question.  :thumbsup:

Posted June 23rd on CMNH Forum:

Here's the latest update on Cheyenne in an e-mail to us from Laura: "Cheyenne is in a small flight cage. He is not moving but we experienced this with Ranger too. I have my fingers crossed but his wing is outward and to me still looks like a luxation even though Dr. Lindstrom said no.

showing my ignorance here...what is luxation?  :confused:

Dislocation

Here is the latest from "Elimac" aka Liz:

"Just got this from Glenn:

Hi All,
Well, after a number of not so great weeks, Cheyenne has made a turn for the better. Turns out he just needed a little contrarian logic. Traditionally, injured birds need a place that’s relatively quiet and dark to get better. They stress out easily – especially high strung species like falcons – and, just like in people, excess stress can hinder the healing process.
Turns out Cheyenne is a real sun worshipper. We went the other direction and moved him to a more well lit enclosure where he could see the sunshine and the sky everyday and he has been really perking up ever since. We have a couple of really big birds in the big flight cages that are due for release soon and hope to get Cheyenne moved over so he can get more exercise.
It’s one of the real frustrations of working with patients who can’t talk. Sometimes you have to feel your way around a little bit to figure out what’s really bothering them.
Cheers,
Glenn.

I replied it was because Cheyenne used to spend so much time sitting on top of the light post above the nest cubby."

CMNH topic here (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?57137.280).

Now that's great news! Thanks Joyce.  :heart: Cheyenne, get well!

 :thumbsup:

Great news!   :clap:

Thanks for sharing this with us Joyce.   :happy:

 :thumbsup:  That's great news Joycie! I bet it made your day!   ;D :wave:

It's good to hear that he responded like they thought he might.  :clap:  Good news for Cheyenne!

glad things are looking "brighter" for him. Get better handsome boy.

New update on Seneca's old mate. 

"Cheyenne has been doing very well. He’s got the biggest flight cage at the Center to fly around. Laura has had some concerns that he doesn’t quite “look right” so he’s still with us. Laura is one of the top experts on Peregrines, so I would definitely trust her judgment. Unfortunately, because Peregrines are so territorial, they can only be released during migration seasons. I have not asked the questions, but assume that means he’ll be spending the winter with us."

From Kris G. Was posted on CMNH

 :2thumbsup:  :thanks2:  ;D

A little more on Cheyenne; Chad and Chris posted this on the Cleveland forum today.

Asked Laura for an update and she said that she plans to really start pushing him in January and will aim for a late Feb/early March release. Hoping for good things for Cheyenne!

I hope Cheyenne will make a full recovery and be releasable, but since he isn't quite ready, I'm glad that he will staying at the Medina Raptor Center for the winter.

Thanks Alison-  I also hope he will be OK for release.  I read that GG has found a new mate since Cheyenne's injury.  Life does go on and I'll always wonder whatever happened to our Seneca.

Update on Cheyenne! Chad & Chris

Thought I'd start a new thread, since we don't know if Cheyenne will end up back at the Brookpark nest site.

Stopped out to the MRC to talk with Laura about her upcoming program (side note: she'll be doing a talk on peregrines for the Rocky River Birds of Prey Weekend at the Nature Center on February 5th), and we checked out Cheyenne together as well.

The staff has been exercising him in his cage daily, breaking down food rewards so that he's worked four times a day. She's thinking he's looking good for release in the late winter, if all continues to go well. He did a few extra laps while we were in his cage-- looked good in flight and landing, and no sign of labored breathing after the workout. Here are a couple shots of him that I snapped before we left...




Thanks Kris G

He's looking good! Thanks for the update Donna!  :wave:

 :thumbsup:

He is quite the handsome fellow!

He is a looker!

I'll always wonder what happened to our beautiful Seneca.  :(

Me too Kris!  :heart:

Just checked CMNH and C&C have posted an update to GG and Titan and Cheyenne!!

Checked here Wednesday morning and GG was at the bridge with Titan. They weren't perched close together and appeared to be in an early stage of bonding. GG flew up near the nest ledge as Titan was perched inside the bridge above the nest-- she appeared unfamiliar with the bridge, as she tried and missed some unusual landing spots inside the bridge, and then she flew up and perched on a beam in the I-90 Bridge that runs parallel to the Hilliard Road Bridge. Titan vocalized, and flew to a couple different perches while GG stayed put. He then flew out over the valley, repeatedly sounding the alarm call and appearing to be driving out an intruding raptor below the treeline. He flew back up to the light post several times and repeated his defensive jaunts, and then stayed out. Wasn't able to stay to see if he tried bringing in food for GG, but will be there on our next off days. Meanwhile, no sightings of McKees while here.

To thicken the plot, Laura Jordan plans to release Cheyenne very soon, so it could be interesting if he returns to the area. BTW, this was the first place we were able to ID Cheyenne as a subadult male before he was driven out by Titan and moved on to nest with Seneca at the Brookpark site.

Posted by Carly on BCAW 2-2-12

C&C plan to release Cheyenne today!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63141.last (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63141.last)

Oh my....hope all goes well. Thanks

Oh boy! Be safe Cheyenne!! Thank you for the update Carly. :wave:

On a more positive note, Cheyenne is free!  Elimac has posted one fabulous photo of him 'speeding to freedom'.  I hope he stays safe!  I'm sure C&C will have more once they get home later!

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63141.10#post_63817 (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63141.10#post_63817)

Wow, good luck Cheyenne!! Hope he does well. Thanks Carly!  :heart:

Safe journey, Cheyenne!

Be safe in your new free life!  :heart:

Wonderful News!   :2thumbsup:

Great news!  :mbanana:  :bguitar:

Cheyenne right out of the carrier! Great shot.

Thanks Kris  :clap:

Wonderful picture!  :bow:

Awesome!   :2thumbsup:

 :2thumbsup: Nice!  ;D

Awesome!  Stay safe Cheyenne!   :heart:

Safe travels, Cheyenne

Very sad news tonight over at CMNH.  Cheyenne's father, the legendary Bandit was found dead at the age of 17 years old.  Chad and Chris have just posted the sad news.

http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63281.0#post_63873 (http://www.falconcam-cmnh.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?63281.0#post_63873)

Fly free, Bandit.  :(

That is so sad.   :crying:

Fly Free Bandit.  You will be missed.   :heart:

 :falcon2:

That's very sad, like I said 2012!!  :(

Fly free, dear little one :(

This year :'(

Fly free, Bandit!  You led a legendary and long life, and leave behind a wonderful legacy of peregrines to follow in your wing-path!   Cheyenne was just loosed to the skies this week, and many of your offspring are  soaring the skies.  Thank you for  the joy you brought to many who followed your life, and sympathy to your lifelong followers at CMNH and Chad and Chris.

 :'(

 ;D for Cheyenne

 :crying: for Bandit

Bandit

http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/downtown-akron-s-falcon-bandit-is-dead-1.267622 (http://www.ohio.com/news/local-news/downtown-akron-s-falcon-bandit-is-dead-1.267622)

Titan & GG, Cheyenne's former mate!  :(  Wonder if he will show up there.

Thanks kris

Or with any luck he might go home to mama since he was released not far from home.  Now that his dad is gone perhaps he could take over his site. 

Hmm, perhaps Carly. Just NO fights!

Thank you for the article Donna, what a falcon he was.   I hope his mate will be okay,they were together for so long.  

You kinda have to wonder what she is thinking? Is she looking for him? Who knows what goes on in their minds. Feel bad for her or any animal that loses a mate.

Ohhh Boy!!!!

CMNH Forum

On to most recent news—today we witnessed an all-out battle between GG and McKees at this site! It was horrifying and incredible at the same time! We thought it was GG perched in the inside arch of the bridge until both Titan and GG returned to the bridge and the fight ensued. The two females wrestled around back inside the bridge and all we could see were wing flaps and some feathers flying until they tumbled out while locked together in one another's grasp! They fell to a shallow spot at the river’s edge underneath the bridge and engaged in battle, continuing to wrestle, taloning one another and biting with their beaks while vocalizing loudly. Then they broke apart only to reengage on the rocks across the river.

McKees finally broke away again and flew down the river as both GG and Titan chased after her. We walked the trail along the river, but saw no sign of them. When we returned GG was perched in a tree with no visible signs of injury. In our pics we could see that McKees appeared to have a wound on her chest where she was bitten by GG, and she also seemed to have some bleeding in her mouth. Since we both took shots as they were battling we have quite a few pics to go through, but we’ll get them posted soon. We just thought forum members would want the current update so we decided to post the information without pics. We’re both working tomorrow, but we’ll each have some time separately to check the site before we work, and we’ll post any additional updates as available.

Thanks Kris for sending this. Very scary, I mean really!  :(

Note* This didn't happen at the Brookpark Rd Bridge site but at the Hilliard Rd Bridge Site where Titan has been the male for sometime.

Not sure where to put this, feel bad about Seneca!

Successful mating... female's tail shifted to the side; male able to copulate (posted as a sequence previously: Titan and "GG" at Hilliard Road Bridge)...

Pic by C&C

GG

Glad to see that Titan and GG are together again this year!  I often think about Seneca and wonder whatever happened to her and I also have wondered how her mate, Cheyenne is doing.  To my knowledge, I don't think he was seen again after his release from rehab.

wasn't there a report of a falcon being "relocated" up there right at the time she disappeared. I personally think they did something else because they weren't up front about it.(I'm thinking from the airport)

I had read that birds were caught at the airport there and relocated but nobody confirmed it, if I remember right. Seneca disappeared right around Christmas and GG appeared not too long after, becoming Cheyenne's new mate.  She laid eggs, Cheyenne got hurt, went to rehab for a long time, GG abandoned the eggs, site and moved on. I always wondered if there was a battle between the females but we'll never know.

And, as you all know I believe, Seneca...and Warrior for that matter...is alive and well until proven otherwise.

I always hoped that maybe Seneca and Cheyenne found each other again, are nesting together and having babies.

I like that scenario Kris!  :yes: